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  • See, that’s a nice idea… and it did work… for a while… without religion and nationalists in the mix… once you mix those 2, guess what happens…

    The moral of the story is, it is doable… but you’d have to either get rid of the 2 things mentioned above, or historically you’d have to be a clean slate, which is pretty easy for the continents discovered in the last 5 centuries or so.


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    Sorry, I meant after the end… got mixed up (it was late).

    Dude, this wasn’t before WWII, this was after the end of the war. Around 175,000 people whose families had lived there for a couple hundred years and spoke German for historical reasons were ethnically cleansed from Yugoslavia.

    Hm, wonder why someone who spoke German on a teritory occupied by the Germans during WWII would be cleansed from that place 🤔…

    A few hundred thousand people had to flee the country and walk to Germany or otherwise make their way to places like North America.

    People hated Germans after WWII. My guess is, he was just trying to keep a clean slate, not let history repeat itself. There was enough bloodshed on the Balkans, it’s time for piece… and people speaking German RIGHT AFTER WWII in a place you’re trying to make into a federation and let everyone live in piece… yeah, I kinda get his reasoning.

    Sure Tito wasn’t Hitler, but he definitely walked in his footsteps.

    You didn’t live here, you have no idea how things were. It was nice, people had piece… not just bought piece, it was the true meaning of the word, something that hasn’t happened in centuries here. Agreed, that has to come at a cost, but the US does it every day and they rarely get backlash for it.

    Sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. It’s that simple. This is true in any society. People that don’t agree with that society’s leaders and strategies can make problems for them. Why make their lives harder.



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    Hey, I never said he was a saint. Plus this was pre WWII, partisans were already being recruited and yes, they hated Germans… because Gremans hated Slavs. You know what the Nazi plan was? One, eliminate Jews, two, eliminate gypsies, three, elimites slavs. We were on the elimination list, no doubt there. Just because we weren’t immidiately exterminated doesn’t mean our turn wouldn’t have came after the Nazis were done with the previous two on the list. You know how many slavs died in labour camps, doing Nazi bidding? My guess is, Tito did this to try and scare the Nazis away from the Balkans… can’t say for certain, but I do know that he was the leader of a federation with over 6 different nations in it, he never once showed pereference or hate for one or another. Sure, things needed to be balanced, so sometimes one came first, others second, third, etc., but in general, he really did try and treat everyone as equal.


  • The reason why it worked perfectly here, in the Balkans, was that Tito never actually lied to the people (OK, that’s an understatement, lol 😂, but in general, he did have the people’s best interests in mind)… so, everyone just thought that their leaders are actually being honest with them and that the other guy is at fault 🤷… it was easy to be honest… it was only after they were tried it became apparent that the only thing their leaders had in mind was money and power, nothing more… but, by then, it was too late… lives were lost, people’s lives were shattered… it was really sad to be honest… when everyone realized that they fought a war for nothing…


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    It WAS as close to communism (actually socialism… though yes, the party was called a communist party and all that, but in reality, the name didn’t really reflect the ideals of the party at the time, the name stuck for the sake of the Stallinists that were in quite large numbers and Tito and others were just trying to balance things out, since they needed some of those people to run the country and not turn their backs on them… some people were very cross with Tito when he turned his back on Stalin in the 50s, he didn’t need to iritate them further by changing the name of the party) as you can possibly get at the time. No textbook representation of a social or economical system is 100% accurate to what the books say… just like democracy (which is basically anything but democracy at this point) is flawed everywhere.

    The perfect system doesn’t exist, but you can strive to make it better and serve the people, which is exactly what we DON’T have nowadays. Back then… to be honest, yes, it mostly served the people.



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    To be honest, things went wrong because the person who knew how to keep the piece died, so… nationalists rose to power (they didn’t rebrand communism though, so most got onboard the loony train thinking this is about communism and who is against it), and that was about all that was needed in a powder keg like the Balkans… a lot of war time profiteering as well, some people got very rich during those days… blood money, sure, but it didn’t seem to bother them. Some of them are still in power, or their children.

    Bottom line, none of them are communists, period. They’re thieves and killers.