Germany is also imperialist. The countries that rely on imperialism have higher metrics by plundering the global south. It’s kinda like looking at life expectancy of the rich vs the poor in any one country, the better metrics of the top come at the expense of the bottom.
They don’t, really. Russia has like 6 of the world’s top 500 companies, it couldn’t rely on the same financial expropriation even if it wanted to simply because it utterly lacks the financial capital to do so. China is a production-focused economy, and the large firms and key industries are state owned. Even if we took the ideological aspects of Marxism-Leninism completely out of the picture, China is more economically incentivized to build up multilateralism so it can sell its products to the global south, and not rely so much on the US to offload its production to, as the US is constantly unreliable due to it wanting more capital penetration into Chinese markets (which the state rejects).
What do you respond to “Fuck X” , if thats what you’re talking about? Otherwise I have stated my reasoning. If one side isn’t willing to give up anything, it isn’t really a discussion
What facts did I disagree with? Are you operating with a different concept of what imperialism means, ie a semantical difference but not a logical one? Or am I wrong about Russia having relatively small financial capital and thus lacking the capacity to practice imperialism in the same way western countries do? Or am I wrong about China’s large and key industries being state owned, and their economy incentivizing multilateralism in order to sell more?
The first would be a semantical difference, not a disagreement with facts, the latter 2 would be if you could provide evidence to the contrary sufficient to outweigh what I said.
Maybe, but that would be better than just saying I “disagree with facts” while being cagey about what those “facts” are. That’s just ad hominem (and I mean that genuinely, you’re trying to discredit me through insult, not just insult me).
Either way, ultimately, this topic has shifted entirely from the base of the conversation, which is trying to find a good measure of economic productivity, and how focusing on financialized capital masked by GDP obscures actual productivity. It’s why imperialist countries are declining, and why the PRC is rising. I don’t think we disagree that western countries are going downhill and that the PRC is improving, so identifying why is productive.
Germany is also imperialist. The countries that rely on imperialism have higher metrics by plundering the global south. It’s kinda like looking at life expectancy of the rich vs the poor in any one country, the better metrics of the top come at the expense of the bottom.
Well, thank god China and Russia don’t do this.
They don’t, really. Russia has like 6 of the world’s top 500 companies, it couldn’t rely on the same financial expropriation even if it wanted to simply because it utterly lacks the financial capital to do so. China is a production-focused economy, and the large firms and key industries are state owned. Even if we took the ideological aspects of Marxism-Leninism completely out of the picture, China is more economically incentivized to build up multilateralism so it can sell its products to the global south, and not rely so much on the US to offload its production to, as the US is constantly unreliable due to it wanting more capital penetration into Chinese markets (which the state rejects).
And this is the point where any further discussion makes no sense. Goodbye.
so much for centrism being about nuance and critically questioning everything, huh?
What do you respond to “Fuck X” , if thats what you’re talking about? Otherwise I have stated my reasoning. If one side isn’t willing to give up anything, it isn’t really a discussion
i like how you use the incel mascot; never seen a freudian slip as a comment before.
You are confidently wrong, pepe the frog is originally from a stoner comic. Besides, I am married, so the whole incel thing doesn’t exactly check out.
i’m referring to its notoriety, not its origin.
Can you explain why? I think I made a pretty clear-cut case, is there something you take issue with?
Fundamentally disagreeing on facts.
What facts did I disagree with? Are you operating with a different concept of what imperialism means, ie a semantical difference but not a logical one? Or am I wrong about Russia having relatively small financial capital and thus lacking the capacity to practice imperialism in the same way western countries do? Or am I wrong about China’s large and key industries being state owned, and their economy incentivizing multilateralism in order to sell more?
The first would be a semantical difference, not a disagreement with facts, the latter 2 would be if you could provide evidence to the contrary sufficient to outweigh what I said.
This is just going to result in me pulling up a source that you don’t deem reputable, only for you to pull up a source that I don’t deem reputable.
Maybe, but that would be better than just saying I “disagree with facts” while being cagey about what those “facts” are. That’s just ad hominem (and I mean that genuinely, you’re trying to discredit me through insult, not just insult me).
Either way, ultimately, this topic has shifted entirely from the base of the conversation, which is trying to find a good measure of economic productivity, and how focusing on financialized capital masked by GDP obscures actual productivity. It’s why imperialist countries are declining, and why the PRC is rising. I don’t think we disagree that western countries are going downhill and that the PRC is improving, so identifying why is productive.