The idea of it being numbered is that you are given your number when you vote to check against later, but nobody else is given that number so they can’t tie the vote to you.
Often times the people this would hurt most would be the spouses of abusive individuals. They could force the receipt, and would be able to confirm their victim voted the way they were told.
Not at all saying we shouldn’t look into the abuse, but unless the victim tells someone, there’s no way to know it’s happening? I don’t really get what you’re suggesting here.
I’m suggesting that if the abuse is large enough that it swings entire elections, then it should be looked into as a why it’s happening vs saying we shouldn’t do something about voter fraud because something else might happen.
Spousal abuse is only one concern, also parent/child coercion (you’re an adult now, you can’t live in my house unless you vote the way I want). Another would be buying votes, and using the “receipt” to collect payment.
What’s stopping the abuser from demanding a photo of their filled out ballot? Idk why there’s a huge thread about this hypothetical. Are a certain point you can’t create policy defined by a tiny minority.
But you can be coerced to give up that number. People can buy your vote and you can give them your number as proof. That’s a huuuuge problem. You should not be able to prove (to someone else) how you voted. Ever.
What you need is some kind of systeem that alliws you to verify your vote, but which is useless to someone else. It’s probably possible. But your idea isn’t it.
The idea of it being numbered is that you are given your number when you vote to check against later, but nobody else is given that number so they can’t tie the vote to you.
Often times the people this would hurt most would be the spouses of abusive individuals. They could force the receipt, and would be able to confirm their victim voted the way they were told.
Sure while this is a concern, why aren’t we instead looking into the abuse vs suggesting we no do something because of another problem?
Not at all saying we shouldn’t look into the abuse, but unless the victim tells someone, there’s no way to know it’s happening? I don’t really get what you’re suggesting here.
I’m suggesting that if the abuse is large enough that it swings entire elections, then it should be looked into as a why it’s happening vs saying we shouldn’t do something about voter fraud because something else might happen.
Spousal abuse is only one concern, also parent/child coercion (you’re an adult now, you can’t live in my house unless you vote the way I want). Another would be buying votes, and using the “receipt” to collect payment.
You could just burn your number then.
and then the coercion is simply you give me your number or i hurt you
there is no way that you can make a system where you are able to validate your vote after the fact, and also is safe from coercion
What’s stopping the abuser from demanding a photo of their filled out ballot? Idk why there’s a huge thread about this hypothetical. Are a certain point you can’t create policy defined by a tiny minority.
Or just say they ran out of paper. Like there are more pros than cons to this system. Nothing is going to be perfect.
and then you get hurt regardless… you think abusive partners or criminal organisations care of the printer ran out of paper?
But you can be coerced to give up that number. People can buy your vote and you can give them your number as proof. That’s a huuuuge problem. You should not be able to prove (to someone else) how you voted. Ever.
What you need is some kind of systeem that alliws you to verify your vote, but which is useless to someone else. It’s probably possible. But your idea isn’t it.
Transparent urn and public counting ?