• Kiosade@lemmy.ca
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    6 months ago

    I just cant imagine these somehow being better than trash-tier Teslas, let alone anything else.

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    6 months ago

    I was just talking to my dad about this the other day and I told him that it was only a matter of time before the US government goes after Chinese EV’s at the request of the US auto lobby.

    I didn’t think it would be this soon, though. Hurray for more garbage EV’s for $50,000+

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      6 months ago

      Volvo EX30 compact EV SUV comes out this year with a base price of 35k. I consider that exceptionally reasonable (esp. for a Volvo). I’d buy one myself, but getting my house setup for EVs is a huge can of worms. My electric main is buried, I only have 100a service and my panel is full to the brim.

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          Isn’t 100A considered inside for an all electric home?

          Most homes nowadays are 200A. I could probably make it work, or get a smart panel to not have to worry about it…but upgrading service is practically impossible unless I can get someone else to pay for it. We’d have to remove a bunch of trees to trench to where the junction box is, and then trench across our driveway, too. Unless I lucked out and there oversized conduit there already, but I highly doubt it. As much as I’ve been told, the neighborhood was built with direct-bury service entrances.

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              That makes sense…if the charger is aware of its own load and the load of the whole house, it can slow down or stop charging to let the other stuff catch up.

              I don’t know where you are but 3-Phase is rather uncommon in US Residential. We use split-phase, where we have two 120v lines that use a common neutral, and we get 240v across the two 120v hots (with no neutral…but some 240V outlets do have a neutral leg for parts of the appliance needing 120V.

              A while ago, the YouTuber Technology Connections did a segment on the Span smart panel…and I think there’s a handful of others…that measures the load of each circuit and can triage circuits if there’s too much demand. This is really where smart appliances should be heading. It’s cool that my dryer can tell me how many KWh are consumed by a load, but I’d much rather it be able to cooperate with all my other loads and maybe turn off the heating element for a bit.

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    6 months ago

    Although the BYDs and GWMs and MGs are getting popular in Australia, I have literally never seen a Chinese EV in the States outside of locally built BYD busses, and BYD cars have distinct designs that are fairly easy to spot. So this feels like posturing to me.

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      I have literally never seen a Chinese EV in the States outside of locally built BYD busses, and BYD cars have distinct designs that are fairly easy to spot. So this feels like posturing to me.

      The Chinese business strategy has been to target East Asian, Indian, Russian, and West African car markets. They’re not trying to compete with US cars in the United States. They’re displacing US export markets in the Third World. You might be able to find them south of the border, however. In the first five months of 2023, Chinese exports to Latin America reached over 330,000 vehicles with a special focus on Mexico and Chile.

      Meanwhile, the US has had a long and storied tradition of open hostility to foreign car manufacturers. Consequently ten different car manufacturers have plants in the United States.

      These taxation and regulatory provisions are shockingly similar to the Chinese rules that guys like Biden and Trump deride as anti-competitive. And given the quality of US vehicles has long been sketchy at best, with a continued reliance on ICE engines in a market that increasingly favors the cheaper and more reliable electric vehicles, its questionable how long the Big Three domestic brands can even survive.

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        6 months ago

        The government will make sure they survive. They’re to big to be allowed to fail.

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              Hard to function at the multi-national scale if you constantly need bailouts.

              And there are plenty of Republicans who would love to see Detroit Go Bankrupt.

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                I think they want the UAW gone. But GM and Ford give them too much money for them to get rid of the companies.

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      They’ve been getting ready to ship to the US for a while. The EX30 arrived this year and is getting pretty good reception. It’s 35,000 and the best rated EV SUV at it’s price point. It’s 7 overall behind vehicles 20,000 more expensive.

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    6 months ago

    Free market but only until someone overtakes us, then shun them to eliminate cheap merchandise so we can rig up the prices, did i understood that right?

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    6 months ago

    Isn’t this just a ban on Chinese evs? Just with extra steps? Make it impossible financially to sell it in the US pretty much is a ban without saying it’s a ban

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    6 months ago

    Car makers can’t be bothered to compete so they lobbied (bribed) the government to just ban the competition.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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      6 months ago

      Nah, we’re cool with Japan eating our lunch. We just don’t want a nationstate to artificially make their cars cheaper, even if they are good, to grab marketshare.

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    6 months ago

    God forbid anyone get a cheap EV before US car companies sort out which $50,000+ car brand can position itself as the “luxury” one before accepting that they need to build cheaper models.

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      6 months ago

      The Chinese ones are cheap because they’re being subsidised by the Chinese govt to be sold that cheaply overseas as a deliberate economic attack tho

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        Meanwhile the US doesn’t subsidize (or even bail out) its too-big-to-fail auto companies, right? If you consider affordable products a deliberate economic attack, what do you call the extreme price gouging that the American auto companies are carrying out?

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        The Chinese state isn’t selling cars under the cost of construction. The subsidies come in the form of cheap (increasingly nuclear) energy, publicly funded STEM/trade schools, and public health care. These socialized benefits reduce the real cost of living in China and grow the domestic consumer car market, along with lowering the per-unit production costs.

        American car companies have long been hobbled by the obscene cost of employment benefits - high salaries to cover housing costs and student debts, high private insurance premiums, high administration overhead, the constant need to fund stock buybacks in order to keep the value of their stock-incentives up. The deal with the devil they cut with Truman - to make medical insurance a private tax write-off rather than a public good - combined with the enormous Reagan Era tax cuts and rapidly metasticizing private health industry administrative overhead, drives up the cost of each vehicle by thousands of dollars.

        This sucks for the car companies, but is fucking awesome for the FIRE sector. And since 30% of the US GDP is tied up in financing, insurance, and real estate growth, our private automotive industry is effectively forced to subsidize their profits. That’s what makes American cars so expensive relative to their East Asian peers.

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      I think part of the problem is that new cars are bought mostly by fairly well-off individuals; with other people buying used cars. Economy cars sell poorly in the U.S.

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      6 months ago

      Chinese vehicles suck. Here in mexico they’re all over the place, and their quality is questionable. MGs are a joke now. Good for the US to block these imports.

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        MGs were already a joke though. And if they’re so bad then why do they need to be blocked?

      • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
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        I’m more annoyed that basically every western car company tried to make a $70,000 luxury EV to upscale their brand instead of making a sensible one that people will actually buy. If we want widespread adoption, we need more EVs that aren’t priced based on some pipe dream that people will wake up one day and think Ford is a luxury brand.

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          The tech for EVs is not quite there yet. Most technologies/services star as a luxury ok this cases where the manufacturing costs are still too high. For example Uber, which started as a luxury service before being widespread with the shitty service they became.

          That’s one of the reasons why I hope my country sets restrictions on these Chinese EVs, as there is not enough infrastructure in Mexico for EVs to even existe, and we can’t produce enough energy for them to be a viable solution for transportation. Heck, I’m even with Toyota and believe EVs are not a tech we should be investing in, and the world will not move to EVs as a widespread mode of transportation. i certainly hope so, because people buying EVs thinking they are the most green solution are not seeing the elephant in the room.

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            Bullshit. The EX30 is here and selling for 35,000. The tech is mature, they just don’t want to serve the average consumer.

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              What tech are you talking about? I’m talking about the grid not being able to serve everyone switching to EVs anytime soon. Also people don’t factor the batteries needing replacement after some years like any other appliance running on batteries, and those can be quite expensive to replace.

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                The car tech. But also, using Mexico’s power infrastructure as a guide to American tariffs on Chinese EVs doesn’t make sense.

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            I mean, we need to stop taking carbon out of the ground and lighting it on fire so it becomes atmospheric carbon. I’m not expecting middle income countries to carry the load but it’s way easier in a rich country like the U.S. or E.U. to switch to electric and switch power generation to renewables or nuclear than it is to (for instance) convince everyone to stop eating beef.

            In no way do I think electric cars by themselves to solve the problem. It’s gotta be a comprehensive strategy. I live in a place that’s prone to hurricanes (New Orleans) and I added solar+batter to my house and got a plugin hybrid. It’s actually better because every few years, a storm knocks out the power grid for a few days and I can still juice up my car an bit and air condition at least one room. So, oil/gas power is unreliable for me when I need it most. But we’re on the front lines, being below sea level, and everyone is going to get there if we keep lighting carbon on fire and making carbon dioxide.

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              Sure thing, but most people into EVs feel greener while driving EVs, and think that’s all they need to do. A state in Mexico bought electric busses for public transportation and results they charge them with diesel generators, so EVs are now just a gimmick of being environmentally friendly, it’s so dumb.

              I’m all for changing from fossil fuels to renewable energy, but EVs are in no way a factor for the general public to adopt alternative energies. EVs replacing fossil fuel vehicles won’t happen as fast as needed for it to make a change in people’s minds that solar or nuclear are needed.

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        6 months ago

        If these Chinese vehicles suck so much, why are US car companies so afraid of them?

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          Cuz China is well known for subsidizing production (well the US kinda does it too for some productos anyway). I personally wouldn’t buy a Chinese vehicle out of security and quality concerns, regardless of it being Ev or not.

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            If the vehicles are so low quality and dangerous, then it wouldn’t be the job of tariffs but of bans, since there are minimum safety standards that still apply.