• Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
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    3 days ago

    Hold it - so you don’t even believe Jesus rose from the dead? You’ve basically proved my point then that it’s a contradiction.

    You don’t believe that Jesus rose from the dead (and thus aren’t even Christian in that case) If that’s the case I think it is safe to assume that you don’t believe Jesus is the very God who determines what love and acceptance are, or right and wrong, all you’re really doing is stuffing your own definition of those words into some warmed over talking points, then stuffing that inside the hollowed out name of “Jesus” so you can tell me I am wrong about what my God teaches.

    Since you have to disregard Christianity to make your logic work, it proves my point that talking points such as these are incompatible with Christianity.

    • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
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      2 days ago

      No, I’m not a Christian. I’m sorry, now I think I should have lead with that, or not failed to recognize you were under the assumption I was… I have such an upbringing, I’ve been part of the church. But I myself don’t have the belief in me, that what’s in the Bible are factual truths. Still, that doesn’t stop me from being interested in Jesus, his life and teachings. And to some degree the scripture itself.

      And thanks for the good conversation and your perspective. I learned a lot of things. And I looked some up. My intention was basically that, not proclaim you were wrong. That’d be very hypocritical if I were to try to prove you wrong on the basis of scripture, which I don’t even have as the basis for my own morals. I still think these things matter, though. And I follow how the catholic (and protestant) church around me has started blessing same sex couples, they have campaigns now for plurality and welcome such people amongst themselves. And the attached youth organizations sometimes take part in rainbow events like pride month. At least where I live. And from what I get from our conversation, we’re likely on the same page here, when I say I welcome that and I think it’s a “good” advancement the church made. (It wasn’t always like this.)

      I think with “the act” itself, we can’t settle our differences. I think the entire limitation of sex to procreation isn’t right, and I don’t base that on scripture. You gave me quite some insight about your perspective, and I still struggle with the translation and the context it is in and its interpretation, but I think I have at least some understanding now.

      • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
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        2 days ago

        I’m glad we had the discussion. Although I don’t really see why Christians should be expected to alter their beliefs to suit that of non-Christians (in the same way I have no interest in convincing atheists that homosexuality is morally wrong). I think I have said that homophobia - in terms of actually attacking and/or trying to worsen the quality of life or remove rights from homosexual people is completely wrong.

        1 Corinthians 5:12-13

        For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”