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The YouTuber really grew up. KDE is for Kids. GNOME is for Grownups. Once you realise GNOME is the only professional DE out there, you stop looking back, you stop hopping around like a frog.
*he says as GNOME is literally THE desktop to go against EVERY OTHER DESKTOP on Wayland issues and to keep on delaying major fixes further for bullshit reasons. Delaying or not adding features users want, for ideological reasons is the exact reason that Wayland is still not ready even though development started in 2008.
GNOME does not break in general, and the few extensions I use work on GNOME 45 too, I think. They are mainstream and popular. The fact that Debian stable branch keeps GNOME as its default shows how stable it is.
That’s not a problem, the problem is counter culture normies are almost as bad as normies. This is not what I wanted Lemmy to be, when I helped build it.
I think its really about wanting to just get things done instead of fixing/encountering bugs like sleep/back screen. KDE should review their priorities. But I guess its coming, you cant at new features at infinitum.
GNOME is bringing a new paradigm of multitasking with the fusion of tiling and stacking windows like a mosaic. That is better than almost anything KDE has made in years. The only notable thing I like from KDE is KDE Connect.
Gnome does break extensions from time to time. They extension developers just fix it.
Gnome is not a good fit for everyone. KDE is good for people who want high levels of customization and Xfce4 is good for people who want a simple configurable desktop.
There is also gnome soft forks like Cinnamon that try to create a Win 7 feel. My point is Gnome is good for me and others but it doesn’t work for everyone. To say it is the only option is wrong.
GNOME works ideally for people who do not care about ricing, and is extremely stable and bloat free. To the user who wants to use computer as a tool to get the job done, extreme customisation acts like a bloat and/or hindrance. I do not want “edit this button/menu” on every single part of UI, the way it exists on KDE or LXQt or XFCE. All I need is a new document option in file manager, which takes 1 minute to add on GNOME via templates folder.
I never said GNOME must be the only option. That is dictatorship and that exists on Windows and MacOS. In Linux land, you are free to sudo rm rf /* your system in an instant, or rice it the way you want. But this post is about a Linux tuber openly saying he has grown up and matured and realised all that ricing does not matter anymore. That teenager hobby is past now. And it shows how polished GNOME is compared to others, and singlehandedly shows how stable, smooth and professional Linux can be for daily use. Other DEs have no interest in being professional, so they will get the slack for that, regardless of if Lemmy likes it or not.
No, KDE Plasma 5.6 or 5.3 I think (whatever was before 6 launched) , tested last year on a fresh Debian 12 Stable install. It had GARBAGE performance. Turning off compositor and all animations made a massive difference, but it made KDE look and feel almost worse than LXQt.
XFCE looked a lot better while having screaming fast performance, compared to a neutered KDE.
Mind you, this is not a toaster machine. This is i5-7200U ThinkPad with 12 GB RAM. GNOME, XFCE and LXQt run extremely fast on it. And fresh installation with nothing else added.
KDE is not simple. Powerful? Absolutely. It has extreme customisation but for people who want to use computer as a tool to get the job done, it acts as a minus point. GNOME has less customisability and is restricted, but gains advantage with stability and feature minimalism. GNOME is a bit like stock Android with extensions acting like OEM features, whereas KDE is like a full blown custom ROM where you need to setup everything, and is just a hassle.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is not ancient by any standards. Plasma 6 is the current iteration, and 5.6 existed when Debian 12 launched last July. If it did not work on 7200U, it will not work well. Other DEs worked perfectly, so KDE is at fault.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is from 2016, genius. It is very old.
5.27 is the current version Debian is on.
And I’ve run KDE Plasma on a lot of hardware, a lot of it very old, and it’s been fine, if with slightly slow loading times (I daily drove that single-core potato I mentioned for about a year on Plasma).
I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc. Plasma is not that bad for most people. You just got unlucky.
EDIT: Actually, if you actually somehow installed 5.6 on modern Debian with modern Qt frameworks etc, that could be why it was so slow. Could have been a fucked install.
I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc.
I did not know that the most popular laptop CPU for many years, i5-7200U, with no GPU, is a rare combination of hardware, specific drivers, GPU (lol) vendor, display server (ThinkPad standard 766p LCD) is such a problematic configuration for KDE. You are just a KDE fanboy.
Also I installed Debian 12 Bookworm last July. It installs KDE Plasma 5.27 from the installer. KDE 6 never released until last winters, thereby making KDE itself ancient. Also, it was KDE 5.27, not 5.6. So my mistake there. KDE was far newer than I thought, still it could not support a mere common CPU laptop. I have no clue about their release nomenclature, because GNOME is easy, 40, 41, 42…
An integrated GPU isn’t great, but it should run alright still. I think I disabled the dedicated GPU on the Thinkpad I was running and it still ran smoothly.
I don’t know what your circumstances were with your specific laptop, but to paint KDE as, well, shit, just because it ran badly when you tried it is not cool. Especially in the face of other people who have had fine performance on the slowest of potatoes.
Maybe your CPU’s iGPU is a poor bin, maybe you ran up against a bug in something which fucked performance, maybe your HDD was failing or just slow (if it was mechanical), who knows? Point is your one laptop is not representative of all laptops.
Display server = Xorg/Wayland, not the monitor…
Is there any particular reason you felt the need to resort to insults? I like KDE for a reason, because it does what I want and it runs well. I’m not blindly devoted to it like it’s some kind of religion. Hell, I actually prefer GTK as a library over Qt due to it’s C-based nature and I used to daily drive Cinnamon, then MATE.
KDE release nomenclature is also easy. Higher number = newer.
I… know the Plasma 6 release is new? Why is that relevant? We’re both talking about Plasma 5, and Plasma 6 is basically just mega-improved Plasma 5 anyways.
You know what, if you want, tomorrow I’ll get you a video of Plasma running on my single core 1GHz potato laptop if you like.
My ThinkPad is working extremely well for almost 7 years now, and currently mass downloading files using JDownloader Flatpak on Debian 12 GNOME.
It works with every DE, but KDE eats my CPU alive at 70%, and without compositor and eyecandy, 15% idle. XFCE and LXQt had 0.5% CPU idle, and GNOME stays around 0.5-1% idle. Heck, even my 13 year old dinosaur desktop with 2nd gen i3 works perfectly with Debian 12 GNOME, exact same setup.
Maybe, maybe KDE is at fault?
Look, I wrote a Linux/Windows computing guide. I consider myself stupid, but I am not THAT stupid. https://lemmy.ml/post/511377
I called you a fanboy because you cannot fathom how poor KDE performance can be. 7200U is a modern laptop CPU, and one of the most famous CPUs ever to be used by masses, so the optimisation argument for it and its iGPU Intel HD 620 goes out of the window.
The YouTuber really grew up. KDE is for Kids. GNOME is for Grownups. Once you realise GNOME is the only professional DE out there, you stop looking back, you stop hopping around like a frog.
I cannot even begin to describe what a dumb take this is. I really hope i’s satire
Fortunately, it is not. I do not want a bunch of Kiddy Kultist Klowns over Grownup Gigachad Goats deciding how Linux should be adopted by masses.
*he says as GNOME is literally THE desktop to go against EVERY OTHER DESKTOP on Wayland issues and to keep on delaying major fixes further for bullshit reasons. Delaying or not adding features users want, for ideological reasons is the exact reason that Wayland is still not ready even though development started in 2008.
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Are you using the latest GNOME? I use Debian 12 Stable, GNOME 43. No issues.
Gnome 43 is old at this point. That’s why nothing breaks.
GNOME does not break in general, and the few extensions I use work on GNOME 45 too, I think. They are mainstream and popular. The fact that Debian stable branch keeps GNOME as its default shows how stable it is.
The only time extensions break is when the release is very new or when an extension is not maintained
Yes. But there is a funny circlejerk here.
If anyone is circle jerking it is you. KDE and gnome fit two different use cases.
(This comment is was made to be ironic)
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That’s not a problem, the problem is counter culture normies are almost as bad as normies. This is not what I wanted Lemmy to be, when I helped build it.
I think its really about wanting to just get things done instead of fixing/encountering bugs like sleep/back screen. KDE should review their priorities. But I guess its coming, you cant at new features at infinitum.
GNOME is bringing a new paradigm of multitasking with the fusion of tiling and stacking windows like a mosaic. That is better than almost anything KDE has made in years. The only notable thing I like from KDE is KDE Connect.
Gnome does break extensions from time to time. They extension developers just fix it.
Gnome is not a good fit for everyone. KDE is good for people who want high levels of customization and Xfce4 is good for people who want a simple configurable desktop.
There is also gnome soft forks like Cinnamon that try to create a Win 7 feel. My point is Gnome is good for me and others but it doesn’t work for everyone. To say it is the only option is wrong.
GNOME works ideally for people who do not care about ricing, and is extremely stable and bloat free. To the user who wants to use computer as a tool to get the job done, extreme customisation acts like a bloat and/or hindrance. I do not want “edit this button/menu” on every single part of UI, the way it exists on KDE or LXQt or XFCE. All I need is a new document option in file manager, which takes 1 minute to add on GNOME via templates folder.
I never said GNOME must be the only option. That is dictatorship and that exists on Windows and MacOS. In Linux land, you are free to
sudo rm rf /*your system in an instant, or rice it the way you want. But this post is about a Linux tuber openly saying he has grown up and matured and realised all that ricing does not matter anymore. That teenager hobby is past now. And it shows how polished GNOME is compared to others, and singlehandedly shows how stable, smooth and professional Linux can be for daily use. Other DEs have no interest in being professional, so they will get the slack for that, regardless of if Lemmy likes it or not.“KDE is for kids”
No, KDE is for people who want a desktop which is “Simple by default, powerful when needed”. Or people who simply prefer it.
I also like how you compare DE performance and decide KDE is worse than Gnome? Like what? Are you stuck on KDE4?
No, KDE Plasma 5.6 or 5.3 I think (whatever was before 6 launched) , tested last year on a fresh Debian 12 Stable install. It had GARBAGE performance. Turning off compositor and all animations made a massive difference, but it made KDE look and feel almost worse than LXQt.
XFCE looked a lot better while having screaming fast performance, compared to a neutered KDE.
Mind you, this is not a toaster machine. This is i5-7200U ThinkPad with 12 GB RAM. GNOME, XFCE and LXQt run extremely fast on it. And fresh installation with nothing else added.
KDE is not simple. Powerful? Absolutely. It has extreme customisation but for people who want to use computer as a tool to get the job done, it acts as a minus point. GNOME has less customisability and is restricted, but gains advantage with stability and feature minimalism. GNOME is a bit like stock Android with extensions acting like OEM features, whereas KDE is like a full blown custom ROM where you need to setup everything, and is just a hassle.
5.3 and 5.6 are both ancient :/
I’ve been running KDE for years.
On a:
Thinkpad T400 (2009, 2.3GHz dual core)
Toshiba Satellite (2009, 1.2(?)GHz single core)
HP Pavilion (unknown year, model, clock speed)
Framework 13 (2020, 4.9GHz hexa core)
AMD A10-7700K desktop (3.4GHz quad core)
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (3.6GHZ quad core)
With the compositor enabled.
These all ran it smoothly. The only slow part was the loading on some of these machines.
And KDE is absolutely usable by default, it resembles a Windows desktop.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is not ancient by any standards. Plasma 6 is the current iteration, and 5.6 existed when Debian 12 launched last July. If it did not work on 7200U, it will not work well. Other DEs worked perfectly, so KDE is at fault.
KDE Plasma 5.6 is from 2016, genius. It is very old.
5.27 is the current version Debian is on.
And I’ve run KDE Plasma on a lot of hardware, a lot of it very old, and it’s been fine, if with slightly slow loading times (I daily drove that single-core potato I mentioned for about a year on Plasma).
I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc. Plasma is not that bad for most people. You just got unlucky.
EDIT: Actually, if you actually somehow installed 5.6 on modern Debian with modern Qt frameworks etc, that could be why it was so slow. Could have been a fucked install.
I did not know that the most popular laptop CPU for many years, i5-7200U, with no GPU, is a rare combination of hardware, specific drivers, GPU (lol) vendor, display server (ThinkPad standard 766p LCD) is such a problematic configuration for KDE. You are just a KDE fanboy.
Also I installed Debian 12 Bookworm last July. It installs KDE Plasma 5.27 from the installer. KDE 6 never released until last winters, thereby making KDE itself ancient. Also, it was KDE 5.27, not 5.6. So my mistake there. KDE was far newer than I thought, still it could not support a mere common CPU laptop. I have no clue about their release nomenclature, because GNOME is easy, 40, 41, 42…
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KDE 6 release is very recent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_NpFtNtPk
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An integrated GPU isn’t great, but it should run alright still. I think I disabled the dedicated GPU on the Thinkpad I was running and it still ran smoothly.
I don’t know what your circumstances were with your specific laptop, but to paint KDE as, well, shit, just because it ran badly when you tried it is not cool. Especially in the face of other people who have had fine performance on the slowest of potatoes.
Maybe your CPU’s iGPU is a poor bin, maybe you ran up against a bug in something which fucked performance, maybe your HDD was failing or just slow (if it was mechanical), who knows? Point is your one laptop is not representative of all laptops.
Display server = Xorg/Wayland, not the monitor…
Is there any particular reason you felt the need to resort to insults? I like KDE for a reason, because it does what I want and it runs well. I’m not blindly devoted to it like it’s some kind of religion. Hell, I actually prefer GTK as a library over Qt due to it’s C-based nature and I used to daily drive Cinnamon, then MATE.
KDE release nomenclature is also easy. Higher number = newer.
I… know the Plasma 6 release is new? Why is that relevant? We’re both talking about Plasma 5, and Plasma 6 is basically just mega-improved Plasma 5 anyways.
You know what, if you want, tomorrow I’ll get you a video of Plasma running on my single core 1GHz potato laptop if you like.
My ThinkPad is working extremely well for almost 7 years now, and currently mass downloading files using JDownloader Flatpak on Debian 12 GNOME.
It works with every DE, but KDE eats my CPU alive at 70%, and without compositor and eyecandy, 15% idle. XFCE and LXQt had 0.5% CPU idle, and GNOME stays around 0.5-1% idle. Heck, even my 13 year old dinosaur desktop with 2nd gen i3 works perfectly with Debian 12 GNOME, exact same setup.
Maybe, maybe KDE is at fault?
Look, I wrote a Linux/Windows computing guide. I consider myself stupid, but I am not THAT stupid. https://lemmy.ml/post/511377
I called you a fanboy because you cannot fathom how poor KDE performance can be. 7200U is a modern laptop CPU, and one of the most famous CPUs ever to be used by masses, so the optimisation argument for it and its iGPU Intel HD 620 goes out of the window.