I see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don’t get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?
They are rowdy radical leftists, a mix of Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists. Much of Lemmy is more liberal than leftist, and as such disagrees with Hexbear, but the added kicker is that Hexbear is extremely rowdy, garnering an additional layer of separation from the more liberal sides of Lemmy.
It sounds like you’re describing tankies, not leftists.
We’re leftists and our site culture is pretty aggressive. Liberals are predisposed not to like us because of the first one, and we’re especially prone to arguing with them in the comments of their instances because of the second. This means we’re more well known and more disliked than we would be if we stayed in our corner.
50/50 leftists and Russian troll farms or worse, by any charitable outside evaluation.
Certainly, a portion of r/cth’s appeal was that it was openly left and didn’t follow liberal rules of politeness, respect, or decorum
We’re leftists and our site culture is pretty aggressive
I know that would make you feel better, but no, there are plenty of aggressive leftists on this site, and we don’t get singled out, that’s because people don’t hate hexbear because you’re aggressive leftists, but because you’re toxic pro authoritarian tankies (not that there’s any other kind), so not actually leftist at all (hint: if your “communism” has, and you worship and admire a dictator, it’s not communism, same goes for if it has billionaires and prison camps, like your favourite flavoured boot China, or even N. Korea)…
I gotta be honest, as I’m reading all the responses by hexbearians(?) in this thread, it just sounds like y’all have a lot of fun lol
I blocked Hexbear after being insulted and called names that are far removed from my points of view, this was in a response to comments I made in a thread that might have been on Hexbear.
They looked at my instance which they claimed has had issues with trolls registering accounts there and decided I was a troll because I didn’t fully agree with them, and then the insults started.
We clearly have different political viewpoints and personalities, my experience with Hexbear users is that they are very left, and very confrontational, I am more center/left, and much less confrontational.
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It’s exactly what its description says
You can go and ask Hexbear users themselves about it on their general megathread
You can go and ask Hexbear users themselves about it
Lol, yeah, that’ll go well, because they’re so welcoming to outsiders or even the slightest critique… 😂
They tend to be welcoming of Marxists and Anarchists, and unwelcoming to liberals.
Hexbear is more than a website: She is Athena. She is light itself.
Buncha stinky tankies is what they are. Yes sir!
fuck all these tankies of hexbear!
pls
The issue I have with them is mostly that they emphasize the ‘shit’ part of shit posting almost exclusively. It’s all layered fourchan esque edge lording ‘sarcasm’ but it’s not really even sarcasm it’s being a shitty in lieu of actually being funny. Kids too wrapped up in language like ‘theory’ and ‘praxis’ instead of actual understanding and lived experience. If lemmy.ml is the Vampire the Masquerade of socialism, hex bear are the fucking dufuses with foam swords who are pretending they are samurai or some shit.
Lemmy.ml is for FOSS and privacy, I think you’re thinking of Lemmygrad.ml, which tries to be a serious Marxist-Leninist server.
Hexbear began as refugees from r/chapotraphouse, a leftist subreddit that was purged from Reddit by the admins 4 years ago, well before the API drama of last year.
The subreddit was banned due to supporting violence against “”“people”“” known as slave owners. Posts saying kill slave owners, John Brown did nothing wrong, etc, was the catalyst.
Hexbear was then an un-federated Lemmy instance until last year. Basically, due to not being federated with others and being born from crude dirtbag leftists, culture on Hexbear has splintered from Reddit and Lemmy at large. Mainly, being civil was not a requirement so personal insults and ad hominem is seen as not only perfectly fine, but preferred. Also uniquely being a leftist space that hasn’t had a large, community ending schism between the anarchists and Leninists has been a factor.
When Hexbear did become federated, Reddit refugees people didn’t like our hardline LGBT inclusive anti NATO Anarcho-Stalinist takes, and used Reddit terms such as “brigading” to describe our behaviour, which is more or less a misunderstanding, we have posts sorted by “Active” by default so what you see first is what someone replied to most recently, and we don’t have down votes so if you disagree with someone you reply to them to voice your disagreement instead of down voting and moving on like a coward.
So oftentimes when a newly federated instance user posts something like “Vote blue no matter who!”, it will show up to us, we can’t downvote, we reply with something along the lines of “You’re a dipshit”, that increases engagement, other people see it, also reply with serious and unserious answers alike.
Oftentimes, Reddit refugee liberals see our scathing hatred of Democrats as pro-Trump because their brains are programmed to only see the existence of 2 parties, despite one of our biggest threads before federation being hundreds of posters hoping Trump dies when he first caught COVID. Or being against the expansion of NATO as being pro Putin. Or support for Palestine as antisemitism. Etc.
So basically, a combination of “crude” language, “brigading” and being “MAGA/Putin/CCP/Iran/shills/bots” makes Hexbear a prime target for hating on.
Saying that behaviour isn’t “brigading” is the same type of logic neonazi influencers use when they say they can’t be blamed for one of their fans committing an act of terrorism.
Stochastic brigading might not be the same in degree as stochastic terrorism, but it’s the same in kind.
You’ve got an environment specifically set up, by the means you describe, to promote harassment. That’s brigading and trollish behaviour.
Or being against the expansion of NATO as being pro Putin
When you side against Ukraine, you are being pro-Putin. Supporting Putin makes no sense on any level, because it’s his warmongering actions that are causing the expansion of NATO. Finland and Sweden had no interest in joining except as protection against the threat posed by Putin’s aggression. Ukraine’s populace was pretty firmly against NATO membership until Putin first invaded Ukrainian territory in 2014, at which point support became quite mixed, leaning slightly in favour. And Russia’s most recent invasion of Ukraine has caused opposition to NATO membership to drop off a cliff. If you’re anti-NATO, you should be unequivocally against Putin’s actions. Instead we regularly see your users support it. (And that’s without going into the complete silence on Russia’s domestic politics, considering your claimed “hardline LGBT inclusive” stance.)
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When you deliberately set up your front page in a way designed to encourage that? When you promote a culture of harassment rather than genuine engagement? Yup. You do yourself no favours by this sort of weak dismissal. It’s the same logic a nazi would use to try and shift blame away from themselves for their fans being terrorists.
You do realize replying something like “You’re a dipshit” literally adds nothing to the discussion right? Downvoting a dumb comment instead of replying does not make you a coward, it just reduces the amount of pointless comments in a thread.
Maybe if you took the time to actually engage with them instead of insulting them and moving on you’d be able to change their mind.
Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes lol
Liberals and other right-wingers not interacting in good faith do deserve to be called “dipshits” or whatever, and that instance doesn’t allow using bigoted words.
Someone who knows little about politics commenting “Vote blue no matter who!” is not interacting in bad faith, and does not deserve to be called a dipshit.
Someone who knows little about politics should probably be asking questions rather than saying shit like “vote blue no matter who” when they’re committing a genocide
Hexbear is a strictly leftist instance; I think it’s reasonable for them expect someone saying shit like that to at least think they’re politically literate.
The original comment gave the example of calling a federated user a dipshit for saying something like that.
Also, while I agree that someone who knows little should ask questions, it is very common for them to assume they know enough.
Yes, that isn’t justifiable in your society. Surely you’ll be safe and pampered in your society. But, yours
you’reare not the only one. There are a lot of other societies that are different than yours. How will you be able to interact or even fight them (as foes) if you don’t understand them. Thats why you need to understand them so that you’ll be well equipped and can plot your strategies for future interactions. To understand them is not equal to agreeing with them.Anyway, life will be much more exciting when we are open to new encounters. Just like when we are able to speak many languages, imagine that.
Whether OP realizes it or not, it won’t matter. Their reply is to provide as explanation - which I think answer the question well - and not to justify what they did are acceptable or not.
Here’s your engagement: you’re a dipshit dsemy. Change my mind
Sounds like a cowardly dipshit who was forced into actually replying to prove how they are definitely not a coward
lmao
Liberals minimizing fascism while saying we’re the real fascists for telling them they’re wrong, picture #69420
Damn, I wonder what responses I’ve missed out over time by simply not being able to see them.
All our ankle-biters are smarmy little shits that have been banned for a plethora of reasons usually revolving around either being bigots or reactionary little monsters that revel in genocide while crying crocodile tears about communist “genocides”
For this one it’s the latter as they’re another case of “left in form, right in essence”
‘Stochastic brigading’, better known as ‘replies I don’t like’.
We’re socialists and people don’t like that. Also at the time of the reddit exodus, we were by far the biggest instance and very active posters, so new people would see our good takes literally everywhere all the time and get upset.
Lots of Russia and China apologists there. The interactions of their userbase with other communities often seemed pretty toxic and rude as well, mainly resorting to shitposting with very few attempts at genuine discussions. At least those were my impressions when they were still federated with my instance. I don’t miss them.
It is essentially a Marxists Leninist instance that is extremely far left.
People hate them because they often brigade posts, especially anything that contains keywords including their instance, and probably also just because communism = scary 🤡.
However, their instance is very similar to reddit’s /r/conservative: believes any and all propaganda coming from chosen sources as gospel (for example, they believe much of what comes out of North Korea, a notably right-wing fascist state masking as socialist just like the Nazis did), they are intolerant of any other ideologies, they swing the ban hammer hard on anyone that disagrees with them, and they believe any news outside of their chosen channels is “fake news.”
Antifascism is a great goal, but it seems to bow to fascist regimes and believe everything they say because the regime calls themselves socialist. (Or it could be natural if one subscribes to political ring or horseshoe theory I guess)
They probably mean well, but it is the same echochamber as pretty much every political community: neolib, conservative, and communist alike. It is hard to not get sucked into being an echochamber as the nature of communities.
Buzzword buzzword buzzword, you’re indistinguishable from your Vlaams Belang party for trying to say “actually the Communists are the real fascists”
Please explain how is North Korea a right-wing fascist state.
believes any and all propaganda coming from chosen sources as gospel
Which sources? Please be specific.
The North Korean um… Times, I guess. /s
Delivered to my lawn every morning by miniature ICBM.
a notably right-wing fascist state masking as socialist just like the Nazis did
You’re doing a bit, right? Please say you’re doing a bit
@lemmy_user_838586 Reddit used to have a left wing political sub called ChapoTraphouse. After it got banned its users all moved to their own fediverse site, Hexbear. It has its own site culture, slang, and memes.
It has been defederated from quite a lot of instances.
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It was not federated for a long period of time. Part of its - culture involves what it calls “dunking” on people its users disagree with politically, which as far as I can see is a compendium with snark at one end and bullying at the other.
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When Hexbear federated, its users were “excited to dunk” on people again. Their copious use of visual memes, including a picture of pig testicles covered in excrement, stretched threads. They are also a big community, which means when they pile into a thread it looks like brigading.
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The situation wasn’t helped by large numbers of Hexbear users coming into threads where other instances tried to discuss what to do about issues around federating with Hexbear. As larger instances defederated them, they became disproportionately drawn to small instances that remained, which added to the brigading effect and led to more defederations.
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As a leftist, I find them annoying because they make me look like an idiot by association.
They often get described as leftists, but mostly seemed like they were just trolls looking to pick fights. If someone told me they were a false-flag to discredit leftists, I would beleive it.
I think you should visit Hexbear legitimately. They absolutely are leftists, just especially radical and aggressive.
I sincerely doubt there are people reading up on Leftist theory just to troll and discredit leftists.
It used to be called chapo.chat until a poll came up to change the name. IMO keeping it named chapo.chat would be better for name recognition, since Hexbear began in 2020 as a lifeboat from r/ChapoTrapHouse when reddit banned it for supporting John Brown’s violence against slave owners
It’s still Chacha to me, damnit!
