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No but I live in one of the theocratic states, things would get even more dire.
No, simply because it would be better to try and fix the union rather than dissolve it entirely
Yeah, like even if they did manage to break away they would constantly be getting little raiding parties and all sorts of harassment from the old government and continually have to waste all sorts of resources on defending themselves. If it gets to the point where open armed conflict with the US government seems like a good idea you might as well skip past secession to overthrow.
It would be nice if we could finish Reconstruction instead of letting the south keep their shit white supremacy culture
God I hope California tries it. Civil War 2 now with stealth bombers
I vote Nay.
While land doesn’t vote, if you look at a county election map, anyone seceding is not going to just walk away with current borders intact, and even if you establish a new border, you’re going to be in the middle of enemy territory no matter which state we’re talking about.
Yeah, but the blue spots are where the people actually live. :)
From here:
https://www.sightline.org/2022/02/15/our-maps-shouldnt-lie-about-our-votes/
I am very aware, as someone in one of Pennsylvania’s blue dots. But I don’t want to live fully encircled by active hostiles.
Close down a few major roadways and it’s siege tactics, and blue areas would get starved out or cut off from water pretty quickly. Most people won’t be fighters, and it just seems like a bad situation.
Plus that red land, while not necessarily lived on is where a lot of food, resources, and commerce is. How much food can we grow or raise in cities. How much defense industry do we have? Where do we get wood or my minerals/ores?
Secession just seems like a way for a lot of people to suffer. We need to get the whole place back, not specks here and there that are dependent on (?).
Now THAT is some data porn.
No, I think the union should be preserved. Losing the long war to confederates who want to re-segregate the country isn’t an option. We shouldn’t abandon the people in those states to whatever violence republicans can justify.
seceding with mean letting them win, that is not an option
Instead of posts like these, consider trying for posts that highlight how it’s really all of us vs. a handful of incredibly wealthy people.
The sooner we can help people understand our government has been completely coopted by money, the better.
For instance, if you voted for Trump to stay out of foreign conflicts, now you can see he is just about the money.
Californian. No.
It wouldn’t solve any problems that can’t be solved by other means, and it would create new problems that we haven’t had to worry about before. It’d be a net loss for everyone involved.
What about Texas? Can we get rid of that state? Give it back to Mexico maybe.
It’s one of those things that sound reasonable until you actually spend a minute thinking about the details.
Minting money. Starting a post office. Borders. People who work out of state.
Borders? California? They don’t care about borders lol
No, but I’d consider it for a large group of states. The US dividing into 2 countries is better than some other outcomes I can imagine.
Even if Illinois was feasible, I don’t think I’d want that. I’d rather fix the system. And quit dancing around the issue of Puerto Rico statehood.
NY. Yes. Very much so. MAGA is a metastisized cancer, the only way to survive is to cut it off. Let the red states fester in their own stench and divert any money that would’ve gone to the federal government to instead fund getting refugees out. Ideally other states would follow and form some form of union or an alliance with Canada.
The US is a failed experiment. It’s way too big for itself. There is no way someone can represent a random farmer in Idaho and a NYC socialite at the same time.
I’ve thought that it would work better more like the EU. Ola body overseeing some more basic concepts while each individual completely governs themselves. Maybe that was the original idea, it’s been so lost though.
Ah, the possibly Chinese-originated propaganda pushing for the Republic of Cascadia.
As a former resident, here’s a few respond why not.
First, there’s already a looooot of rednecks and racists in every single state you talked about. In large numbers in rural areas. Simply smothering them with the numbers doesn’t mean you simply can’t represent them unless you just want someone else’s dictatorship. They’re still going to end up electing people you don’t like, and the ratio won’t be all that far off from now.
Second, Cascadia can’t sustain themselves with water, power, or food. Where are you getting wheat from? How about ethanol? How about EV production? It’s a guaranteed huge importer of lots of staples. So the first day you’re stick trying to import from farther away at the same cost as no tariffs overland from 1000 miles away.
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