Hm, I never really thought about it… but my dentist and family doctor are both women. I selected them both because they had nice websites that looked like they cared about (getting) patients.
The stats are presented in a bad and potentially sensationalist way.
"In the study of people ages 65 and older, 8.15% of women treated by female physicians died within 30 days, compared with 8.38% of women treated by male physicians.
Although the difference between the two groups seems small, the researchers say erasing the gap could save 5,000 women’s lives each year."
What is the margin of error here? Can it be larger than the difference?
“women and minority patients are up to 30% more likely to be misdiagnosed than white men.”
Women is one group and minority patients is the other, even though they obviously overlap. What of that is up to 30%? Women of some minority? Maybe that’s hispanic women, some of whom may have poor English and can’t communicate their symptoms properly (just an example of how it can go, not an assumption)
etc. etc.
Not saying article is wrong, just that we can’t conclude it’s right based on what we’re given.
smells like it could even be just a little bit of bias from the patient side even. It’s not like you’re forced to be treated by a certain doctor.
Regardless, a nearly .15% change is almost nothing, so who fucking knows why, could be the phase of the moon at the beginning of the study that caused it.
Does it work that way with men as well? I’m guessing it’s better to have a doctor of the same gender overall as you have a better understanding of certain issues.
The article shared by @Kalkaline@leminal.space (https://doi.org/10.7326/M23-3163) shows that male and female benefit from being treated by a female doctor.
“Both female and male patients had a lower patient mortality when treated by female physicians; however, the benefit of receiving care from female physicians was larger for female patients than for male patients”
That very much confirmed my bias lmao. Very interesting.
Interesting. Women do have more attention to detail in most cases, especially if they’re moms!
I asked because my wife and I have the same female doctor and I think she’s gotten better results than I have, but it could just be cause she’s known her longer.
Do we? Do we really pay more attention to details? I thought that was just misinformation from the last century.
We do! We also have fewer teeth, and all of our mental health problems are caused by our uteruses wandering around inside our bodies.
100% I imagine if men and women stick to the traditional gender roles they may interact with skills differently that lead to perceptions like this.
Fine, you’re all idiots and can’t function. Is that better?
Why does it have to be some sweeping statement? And… are you like butthurt? I could not help but notice.
Lemmy is worse than Reddit. Way bigger Echo chamber. You can’t have a civil discussion here, because no matter how polite you put it, people will downvote, call you names, put you down like you’re doing. No class. This place allows zero room for differing opinions, even if you’re both on the same side.
That’s why this site stopped growing and is now shrinking, cause of people like you. If we were face to face as humans in a public setting, you would never call me butthurt or other insults, cause your momma taught you it’s wrong. But for some reason, once it’s anonymous on the internet, you throw around names and insults and somehow think you’re acting like a reasonable adult.
If we were face to face as humans in a public setting
Would you be this knee-jerk and snippy with people face to face? Take a page out of your own book maybe before you start lecturing others on your great manners.
You do the same shit that my mom does. For some reason it’s all or nothing, every circumstance is the same. She is either 100% correct, or 100% wrong and there is no room for context or nuance.
It’s fucking stupid, and I’ve called her that to her face. The only one preventing civil discussion here is you.
Big fat fucking lol. I asked you a question to move the convo forward, because maybe you read some kind of study or something… you reaponded instead with some snarky shit. Then you didn’t like my snarky response to your snarky response.
I mean… dude.
That’s a bit sexist really.
I know plenty of women, including mums, that are a complete walking disaster just like many men.
I must have gotten very unlucky, because I’ve had both male doctors and female doctors and the worst two were both female (we’re talking GP, not specialists).
Yes, that is how statistics works.
The statistics of me being unlucky by getting two bad female doctors?
Shame on you for having an unpopular opinion/experience. The guy above you said both of his favourite doctors were female, which proves the point of the article. Your experience should prove the opposite by definition (haha, no)
How about you go another million times to thousands of male and female doctors and then report back. We’ll be waiting for you.
Because I was unlucky?
No. Research tends to show that all patients have better outcomes with female doctors. It’s not the knowledge of different conditions that’s the issue, it’s the willingness to listen to patients.
On the personal side, my mom has been a nurse for 30 years and a ton of the male doctors she’s worked with are some of the most conceited, dismissive assholes she’s ever met (and she was a paralegal in her previous career, so that’s saying something). They’ve been treated like gods for so long that they can’t imagine that they could ever be wrong. She had to stop one of them from giving a patient meds that they were allergic to not too long ago, and the doctor had the nerve to get shitty with her for, I guess, daring to question him.
As of 2021, only 37% of active doctors were women, but it was on an upward trend. I wonder if the disparity can help explain some of it, i.e. men are more likely to pursue the profession, but the women who do pursue it are more likely to be talented and successful at it - or they just work harder because they need to overcome biases.
You know the old saying, “What do you call the doctor who graduated last in his class? …A doctor.” Maybe women are more driven to not be the worst doctors. Maybe male doctors can scrape by their whole careers and still be respected and successful for some reason.
I noticed it’s “last in HIS class” and don’t disagree but I suppose to be fair we should use “their class.” Aiming for the day when women will be distributed throughout the bell curve.
Yeah as an engineer I’ve noticed that the women in the field are generally better at it than the men. At the top levels it evens out, but at the bottom it’s all guys (and one lady I know, abysmal engineer, just as bad as the men I had to carry in school alongside her). My theory has always been that some people really want to be an engineer or love aspects of the field, people who really love this stuff will be happy to be doing it even if you stick out like a sore thumb. Meanwhile only men seem to go to engineering school because they were fine at math and want money and other reasons that tend to leave you a bad engineer.
And I think it goes both ways. I never had a male teacher growing up who was bad unless he was a coach, music major, or a creep, and the music majors were generally great guys too. Men rarely teach children unless they love teaching children
One issue is that in certain cultures men (sons) in particular are very strongly encouraged to become doctors even in they are not in medicine.
Being considered a failure if you aren’t a doctor, or attempting to be one, doesn’t necessarily breed great doctors.
What a leading article. Such a small difference for a relatively small sample size.
Statistically significant results are what to look for - this is garbage.
From personal experience I can attest to this being true. I’ve blown an ACL twice and every male Dr I went to misdiagnosed both for months … even though the first time I pulled it off the bone.
Same with my rotator cuff which took 20 years to diagnose correctly. Same with a OBGYN who figured all uteruses are positioned the same.
Almost every male physician seems to believe they’re god and know everything.
How are the stats for female doctors treating men? I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also better doctors across the board
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