Oh yeah I’m sure the Polish people are so glad the soviets “saved them from Nazism” after they struck a deal with hitler and invaded their country together. And I’m sure they were even more greatful when the soviet soldiers rated their way through Poland on their way to Berlin.
I’m sure the Ukrainians appreciate the Russians brutally suppressing their independence, forcing them to die en mass against the Nazis, often times not even being armed and sent to the front lines, then having their natural resources stripped, opressed and subject to genocide.
And it’s frankly beyond telling you refuse to even acknowledge my points about Holodomor, because doing so would mean you either have to acknowledge the atrocities committed by the soviets, or go full nutjob conspiracy theorist on it to deny it happened or try and claim it wasn’t actually the soviets fault.
And as for your points about standards of counties, you only have to look at Germany. Wasters Germany still feels the effects of soviet oppression to this day, it’s falls behind the west of thr country in almost every metric. Lookup the Brehznev doctrine that the soviets used to retroactively justify it’s invasion of Czechoslovakia and their policy of “Russofication” which to anyone with eyes is blatant cultural imperialism. There deportations of multiple ethnic groups to wastelands in the east of Russia in order to cleanse those areas and replace them with ethnic Russians while also getting a defacto slave work force.
I’m sure the Polish people are so glad the soviets “saved them from Nazism”
Polish nationalists are immensely russophobic and reactionary, making that claim is like asking Spaniards (I’m one myself) about the literal golden age of Islam in Al-Andalus: you’ll get a distorted, nationalist, racist and islamophobic account based on vibes instead of the material reality. Polish people can think whatever they want after 35 years of nationalist right-wing propaganda (look at the results of their latest elections): the Soviets saved their fucking guts from genocide and Nazism, and yes I’m saying the Soviets, not just Russians: Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakh, Georgian… All of the people from the Soviet Union did the most immense sacrifice to rid Europe from Nazism. And liberal Nazi apologists like you will never forgive them from doing so.
I’m sure the Ukrainians appreciate the Russians brutally suppressing their independence
This is especially funny. Ukraine literally obtained autoctonous political representation and the state of a republic for the first time in history during the Bolshevik revolution. There are literal letters between Rosa Luxembourg (whom you probably love because she didn’t actually defeat Nazis) and Lenin in which Lenin defends the right of Ukrainian self-determination and the creation of a Ukrainian republic, institutions and a sense of nationality, in opposition to Rosa claiming Ukrainian nationalism shouldn’t exist (interesting read if you truly care about the origins of Ukrainian nationalism and the people of Ukraine and you’re not just concern trolling). Ukraine industrialised thoroughly during Soviet times and had very comparable living standards to the rest of the Union, which can’t be said after the perpetual crisis that took place once the Soviet Union was illegally dissolved against the desire of the majority of Ukrainians (71% of them voted for the Soviet Union to remain in the 1991 referendum). Your analysis is vibes-based taking western propaganda as a source and not actual historical events.
forcing them to die en mass against the Nazis, often times not even being armed and sent to the front lines
Why this fucking focus on Ukrainians? Belarus lost literally 1 in 4 people in the war against Nazism, how come you don’t make the same claims about Belarusians? The answer is because your analysis is ahistorical and not based on actual events, but on anticommunist nazi-adjacent nationalist russophobic propaganda. You’re using literal Nazi propaganda of “the unarmed human wave tactics” that featured in Nazi posters during the war after the defeat in Stalingrad, YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE NAZIS.
you refuse to even acknowledge my points about Holodomor
What part did I not acknowledge? There was a hunger episode in the early 30s in areas of the Soviet Union as a consequence of land collectivisation policy, is that not enough for you? Or do you need to fabricate genocidal intent because of your obsessive victimization of Ukrainians, completely disregarding the millions of Russian and Central Asian deaths in the hunger because they don’t suit your political nazi-adjacent agenda?
Wasters Germany still feels the effects of soviet oppression to this day
Eastern Germany is less developed economically than Western Germany due to two reasons: the first is that Eastern German industry was thoroughly dismantled after the reunification in favour of Western German companies. The second is that Western Germany developed in much more favourable conditions due to the access of cheap resources and labour extraction from the Global South that western capitalist countries have no problem performing and that for some reason you don’t care about, which is frankly immensely racist. Who cards if West Germany developed, like the rest of western Europe or North America, on the backs of literal BILLIONS of exploited people in Central and South America, Africa, Middle East and Southeast Asia, right? Who cares about the west performing unequal exchange? After all it’s black people, Muslims and Asians who are being exploited, and those aren’t worthy of your attention unlike white Ukrainians or Poles who enjoyed immensely better conditions BY LITERALLY ANY METRIC thanks to socialism.
I fucking hate tankies so much.
That’s because half of your ideology and worldview is indistinguishable from that of Nazis
Again ignoring the fact that Russia fucking agreed with hitler to invade Poland, and the mass rapes and lilling of polish civilians as they “”“liberated”“” them because it doesn’t align with your narrative so you just fucking ignore it, then you wonder why I’m not taking you seriously?
Yes they obtained limited authority…then the soviets marched their army into Ukraine, brutally suppressed any resistance and then took away that autonomy. And you just ignore the whole invasion thing because it doesn’t align with your narrative.
Yes, I could make that argument with the Belarusians too, thank you for making a great point for me. The Russians sent other people to die for them then claimed as if it was the entire soviet union that suffered these losses when the vast majority of them were non Russian eastern Europeans, and to answer your question I mentioned ukraine, 1. Because they lost 10,000,000 people. And 2. Because we were talking about Ukraine.
No I’m not siding with the nazis, but you know who did? The fucking soviets when they agreed to invade Poland together. Also look up the Russian penal battalion and order no. 227 they forced “punishees” to charge en mass against enemy positions while the red army set up blocking battalions behind then to stop them from retreating, sometimes even executing soldiers that would try to retreat. This is well documented and not something you can just randomly claim didn’t happen. But I do expect you to ignore it as usual since it doesn’t fit the narrative.
What part did I not acknowledge?
All of it? You’ve just ignored it entirely this whole time.
There was a hunger episode
Fucking lmao, thank you, this was exactly the kind of insane mental gymnastics I was expecting. Calling a man made famine a “”“hunger episode”“” fucking hell.
What? Eastern Germany saw collasal investment after they were reintegrated? You are right about the west developing in favourable conditions though, because they weren’t fucking brutally opressed by the soviets. Something that is also very very well documented but that you choose to ignore and deflect by talking about the global south as if the soviet union didn’t exploit materials and cheap labour in exactly the same way. Which is again an inconvenient truth to you, so you just pretend it didn’t happen.
Oh yeah the classic tankie reaction of losing an argument of “anyone that disagrees with my authoritarianism is a nazi” that’s still used by modern day Russia to do things like justify it’s invasion of Ukraine. And ironically enough is basically just the Nazis “cultural marxism” bullshit in reverse. But yeah keep glazing for the totalitarian undemocratic state that opressed its people performed ethnic cleansing of minorities and invaded it’s neighbours while calling other people indistinguishable from Nazis without a hint of irony. This is why sensible and smart people hate you boot kicking troglodytes, because its still just authoritarianism, but wrapped in a red an yellow wrapper, and you people are so incredibly fucking stupid you actually fall for that. Honestly it’s a miracle you lot don’t straight up support hitler since his party had “socialist” in its name, but I guess the decades of soviet propaganda can override raw stupidity.
Already answered your pro-Nazi revisionism, go read a book not written by the CIA if you’re an actual leftist and not a nazi-adjacent pro-western imperialism propagandist.
Your entire worldview is based on CIA propaganda and is entirely compatible with western Imperialism, which killed billions and is actuslly comparable to Nazism, unlike socialism which freed billions from capitalist exploitation and imperialism through industrialisation and social welfare. You haven’t read a single critical book on the topic and your entire analysis is reddit vibes-based CIA propaganda.
Oh yeah I’m sure the Polish people are so glad the soviets “saved them from Nazism” after they struck a deal with hitler and invaded their country together. And I’m sure they were even more greatful when the soviet soldiers rated their way through Poland on their way to Berlin.
I’m sure the Ukrainians appreciate the Russians brutally suppressing their independence, forcing them to die en mass against the Nazis, often times not even being armed and sent to the front lines, then having their natural resources stripped, opressed and subject to genocide.
And it’s frankly beyond telling you refuse to even acknowledge my points about Holodomor, because doing so would mean you either have to acknowledge the atrocities committed by the soviets, or go full nutjob conspiracy theorist on it to deny it happened or try and claim it wasn’t actually the soviets fault.
And as for your points about standards of counties, you only have to look at Germany. Wasters Germany still feels the effects of soviet oppression to this day, it’s falls behind the west of thr country in almost every metric. Lookup the Brehznev doctrine that the soviets used to retroactively justify it’s invasion of Czechoslovakia and their policy of “Russofication” which to anyone with eyes is blatant cultural imperialism. There deportations of multiple ethnic groups to wastelands in the east of Russia in order to cleanse those areas and replace them with ethnic Russians while also getting a defacto slave work force.
I fucking hate tankies so much.
Polish nationalists are immensely russophobic and reactionary, making that claim is like asking Spaniards (I’m one myself) about the literal golden age of Islam in Al-Andalus: you’ll get a distorted, nationalist, racist and islamophobic account based on vibes instead of the material reality. Polish people can think whatever they want after 35 years of nationalist right-wing propaganda (look at the results of their latest elections): the Soviets saved their fucking guts from genocide and Nazism, and yes I’m saying the Soviets, not just Russians: Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakh, Georgian… All of the people from the Soviet Union did the most immense sacrifice to rid Europe from Nazism. And liberal Nazi apologists like you will never forgive them from doing so.
This is especially funny. Ukraine literally obtained autoctonous political representation and the state of a republic for the first time in history during the Bolshevik revolution. There are literal letters between Rosa Luxembourg (whom you probably love because she didn’t actually defeat Nazis) and Lenin in which Lenin defends the right of Ukrainian self-determination and the creation of a Ukrainian republic, institutions and a sense of nationality, in opposition to Rosa claiming Ukrainian nationalism shouldn’t exist (interesting read if you truly care about the origins of Ukrainian nationalism and the people of Ukraine and you’re not just concern trolling). Ukraine industrialised thoroughly during Soviet times and had very comparable living standards to the rest of the Union, which can’t be said after the perpetual crisis that took place once the Soviet Union was illegally dissolved against the desire of the majority of Ukrainians (71% of them voted for the Soviet Union to remain in the 1991 referendum). Your analysis is vibes-based taking western propaganda as a source and not actual historical events.
Why this fucking focus on Ukrainians? Belarus lost literally 1 in 4 people in the war against Nazism, how come you don’t make the same claims about Belarusians? The answer is because your analysis is ahistorical and not based on actual events, but on anticommunist nazi-adjacent nationalist russophobic propaganda. You’re using literal Nazi propaganda of “the unarmed human wave tactics” that featured in Nazi posters during the war after the defeat in Stalingrad, YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE NAZIS.
What part did I not acknowledge? There was a hunger episode in the early 30s in areas of the Soviet Union as a consequence of land collectivisation policy, is that not enough for you? Or do you need to fabricate genocidal intent because of your obsessive victimization of Ukrainians, completely disregarding the millions of Russian and Central Asian deaths in the hunger because they don’t suit your political nazi-adjacent agenda?
Eastern Germany is less developed economically than Western Germany due to two reasons: the first is that Eastern German industry was thoroughly dismantled after the reunification in favour of Western German companies. The second is that Western Germany developed in much more favourable conditions due to the access of cheap resources and labour extraction from the Global South that western capitalist countries have no problem performing and that for some reason you don’t care about, which is frankly immensely racist. Who cards if West Germany developed, like the rest of western Europe or North America, on the backs of literal BILLIONS of exploited people in Central and South America, Africa, Middle East and Southeast Asia, right? Who cares about the west performing unequal exchange? After all it’s black people, Muslims and Asians who are being exploited, and those aren’t worthy of your attention unlike white Ukrainians or Poles who enjoyed immensely better conditions BY LITERALLY ANY METRIC thanks to socialism.
That’s because half of your ideology and worldview is indistinguishable from that of Nazis
Again ignoring the fact that Russia fucking agreed with hitler to invade Poland, and the mass rapes and lilling of polish civilians as they “”“liberated”“” them because it doesn’t align with your narrative so you just fucking ignore it, then you wonder why I’m not taking you seriously?
Yes they obtained limited authority…then the soviets marched their army into Ukraine, brutally suppressed any resistance and then took away that autonomy. And you just ignore the whole invasion thing because it doesn’t align with your narrative.
Yes, I could make that argument with the Belarusians too, thank you for making a great point for me. The Russians sent other people to die for them then claimed as if it was the entire soviet union that suffered these losses when the vast majority of them were non Russian eastern Europeans, and to answer your question I mentioned ukraine, 1. Because they lost 10,000,000 people. And 2. Because we were talking about Ukraine.
No I’m not siding with the nazis, but you know who did? The fucking soviets when they agreed to invade Poland together. Also look up the Russian penal battalion and order no. 227 they forced “punishees” to charge en mass against enemy positions while the red army set up blocking battalions behind then to stop them from retreating, sometimes even executing soldiers that would try to retreat. This is well documented and not something you can just randomly claim didn’t happen. But I do expect you to ignore it as usual since it doesn’t fit the narrative.
All of it? You’ve just ignored it entirely this whole time.
Fucking lmao, thank you, this was exactly the kind of insane mental gymnastics I was expecting. Calling a man made famine a “”“hunger episode”“” fucking hell.
What? Eastern Germany saw collasal investment after they were reintegrated? You are right about the west developing in favourable conditions though, because they weren’t fucking brutally opressed by the soviets. Something that is also very very well documented but that you choose to ignore and deflect by talking about the global south as if the soviet union didn’t exploit materials and cheap labour in exactly the same way. Which is again an inconvenient truth to you, so you just pretend it didn’t happen.
Oh yeah the classic tankie reaction of losing an argument of “anyone that disagrees with my authoritarianism is a nazi” that’s still used by modern day Russia to do things like justify it’s invasion of Ukraine. And ironically enough is basically just the Nazis “cultural marxism” bullshit in reverse. But yeah keep glazing for the totalitarian undemocratic state that opressed its people performed ethnic cleansing of minorities and invaded it’s neighbours while calling other people indistinguishable from Nazis without a hint of irony. This is why sensible and smart people hate you boot kicking troglodytes, because its still just authoritarianism, but wrapped in a red an yellow wrapper, and you people are so incredibly fucking stupid you actually fall for that. Honestly it’s a miracle you lot don’t straight up support hitler since his party had “socialist” in its name, but I guess the decades of soviet propaganda can override raw stupidity.
Already answered your pro-Nazi revisionism, go read a book not written by the CIA if you’re an actual leftist and not a nazi-adjacent pro-western imperialism propagandist.
Your entire worldview is based on CIA propaganda and is entirely compatible with western Imperialism, which killed billions and is actuslly comparable to Nazism, unlike socialism which freed billions from capitalist exploitation and imperialism through industrialisation and social welfare. You haven’t read a single critical book on the topic and your entire analysis is reddit vibes-based CIA propaganda.
Lmao, first time beat a tankie in an argument so thoroughly that they try to claim the Molotov Ribbentrop pact is just CIA propaganda, lol.
I already responded to you in a detailed historical account and you refused to read it because history is against your point of view
Lmao “no u” is always the last ditch go to of people who know they’re beaten.
Although I was expecting some entertaining followup to you saying the Molotov ribbentrop pact was CIA propaganda, but alas.
Hope one day you look back at this time in your life and cringe about what dumbass you were. Bye.