• orrk@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    no, the Catalonians betrayed the revolution, so they were working together with the francoists, because we need a big daddy strongman in charge!

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      7 months ago

      Not sure if joking or stupid. I tend to the former but being on the internet long enough, I can’t rule out the latter

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        7 months ago

        i would hope the mockery of the needs for a strongman to lead the “revolution” would give it away

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          7 months ago

          Ok, that gave you away. I mean, the bolsheviks didn’t even want a revolution but allied with the republicans to build a liberal bourgeois democracy

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              7 months ago

              I don’t even understand what that means. And some educated tankies will explain away why Stalin was right and Spain wasn’t ready for a revolution. But some people don’t know stuff.

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                7 months ago

                it means that if you really believe that, you are gullible.

                and I know “educated” tankies have put a lot of effort into some ham fisted explanations for why this and that bust have been the case, but, straight factually, with all the evidence we have, it shows that the USSR was a fascistic imperialist dictatorship using the aesthetic of communism, nowhere that the USSR intervened was spared from it trying to control the region.

                infact that’s the entire reason we disparage them as tankies, because they support the use of tanks and military might to subjugate vassals and destroy any political group not preview to their control, political groups like workers not wanting to be controlled by some shareholder class (what, you think the Russian oligarchy came from nowhere over the last 30 years?) with little vested interest in the actual running of the workplace

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                  7 months ago

                  That sounds like a big misunderstanding. I said that the bolsheviks were against the revolution in Spain and I thought you were the tankie disagreeing with me. What is your standpoint and what do you think mine is?

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                    7 months ago

                    so, first off, my standpoint is that the Bolshevik were against both of the revolutions because they wanted to quasi annex the Iberian Peninsula as another soviet client state.

                    you, as far as i have understood, believe that the USSR supplied the spanish goverment under some noble “just help” goal instead of the backdoor annexation that the USSR has become famed for