Also, how long do you take a holiday/vacation for?
USA, CA, civil service, IBEW. I’m between 5 and 15 years (different PTO for different service lengths).
15 days vacation, all federal plus 5 floating holidays, and 10 sick days.
It’s 10 days vacation between 1 and 5 years, and 20 after 15.
fuck man that is EMBARRASSING for a union of any sort.
It’s city work.
what does that mean?
literally this week I overheard 2 ladies talking on the bus about getting in with City of Toronto as cleaners, which would be an upgrade. They were both public school cleaners. Talking about how they spend their existing 6 weeks of vacation. One at a school hosting summer school and camps so the work never stops; the other at a school where they are made to take the whole summer off by default.
One mentioned being a 20+ year, the other was a fairly recent hire from the sounds of it. The lifer was committed to the school board, but the junior was obviously really interested in getting in with the City if she could swing it. Because you get MORE with the city. But their hiring process is insane.
CUPE local 79 FTW apparently kicking IBEW ass.
IBEW you gotta change your name. get with the times.
That means there are 20,000 workers from various crafts who all share the same vacation policy. It’s not the type of thing that comes up in department-level union negotiations.
USA, WA, IBEW. Less than 5 years, but ours doesn’t change until 10 years(? I think I need to look this up).
20 days PTO accrual in a year, 2 personal holidays. No sick days.
I believe ours goes up to 28 days/year once at 20years with the company? It takes a lot for us
IBEW bud from the other corner of the country! To be fair, I’m not at 5 years yet, but I get 4 float days, 10 vacation, 7 sick days, unsure what it’s like for normal hourly workers but as a shift worker I work any holidays on my schedule. It’s hilariously bad, I only semi-joke when I say I’d like to go on strike from my own union to make it actually work for me.
Oh, and despite working well over 400 hours of overtime, none of that translates into extra vacation time. Yet corporate is flabbergasted at poor retention rates.
Brazil.
30 days + a lot of holidays.
At least 2 years for sickness if I’m not mistaken.I might be wrong, you probably only get 20 in the way leave days are counted outside of Brazil. In most other countries days off don’t count weekends, so a month of holidays is 20 days off.
Every single company I worked in Brazil gave a one month holiday that you could split at most in two, i.e. the minimum holiday you could take was 2 weeks. Whereas here in Europe every company I worked for gave me some number of days that you can take like you want, e.g. there’s a public holiday on Friday? Take the next Monday for very an extended weekend, or use 4 days to have a 9 day holiday.
It’s 30 days, but weekends count. Recently the law was amended to disallow scheduling vacations to start on a Friday because of that. It can be taken in full, or 15+15, or 10+20, or 10+10+10.
You’re missing my point, when people in Europe say they get 30 days they mean 30 “actual days where they were supposed to be working” off, not counting weekends. So a month is only really 20 days. That was one thing that caught me by surprise when I moved here, and it makes a difference when comparing across different countries, because they can’t tell you how many days off using your numbering because it depends on when they take their days off, e.g. there’s a public holiday on Monday, so you take Tuesday -Friday off (which only uses 4 days) but you have 9 consecutive days off (from Saturday to the Sunday after the first one). But it’s easy to convert your 30 days into working days, you essentially divide by 7/5, and you get that you only have approximately 21 days (where you should be working) off a year.
Canada. 20 days PTO, 5 PEL, 11 holidays
UK, 25 days annual leave which is the standard minimum plus bank holidays
a few years ago, my friend got a remote IT job in the UK (from canada) and the VERY FIRST THING they started with upon hiring was planning the time off in relation to other people. it was so shocking to us, neither of us nor any of our friends had ever heard of this before. Here, people have so little time off that the employer can just coast on everyone working a little harder while their colleague is away a little bit here n there. But when you have people with 6-12 weeks off every year you do start to need to coordinate.
Standard question for any job I’ve had, it’s a position of strength for the new employee as they have to honour them as the dates were confirmed before they joined. If you wait till you are in the door you may not get them as others might already have them booked.
The Greatest Country On Earth, Pennsylvania.
40 hours
I have 4 week of vacation per year can’t move them. Boss is pretty chill so he give us 2 extra. They are not paid vacation, but i get canada EI for those.
We also have 13 (14?) holiday These are paid by money taken from my salary each week( ± 15%) and given back twice year a in a lump sum (btw 3k-5k depending on the hours you worked) a month before our 2 week mandated vacation.
I’m also permanently on the canada EI. I just went and look it up, i could go 34 week without working (minus the 4 mandatory vacation week) and they would pay me 668$/ week, but i have to stay in canada to get that.
Canada. Union. IT. Mixed Gov/corp contract.
100% WFH (anywhere, but within the country if you’re on the gov stuff)
22 holiday-days a year. But given the 9x9 fortnight means an extra day off within the paycheque, timed around stats it means 7 weeks.
Generous supplemental medical and dental and vision plan, workday ends precisely at 4:39 and no one expects you to stay a millisecond after; but we stay to either finish or mothball a task so it’s an easier pickup. Evenings and holidays are fucking sacred and you won’t get contacted unless it’s a break-glass all-hands event.
The job is too much fucking Ansible and not enough real work, but I joined because I know the staff and it’s a really great and cohesive team. New openings only when someone retires, and with luck I could end up sailing the world on half pay for life like the guy whose seat at I took over.
No, I don’t have PTO. Guess.
Spain:
12 national holidays.
29 vacation days.
4 sick days without a doctor signed medical leave. As many as I need with a medical leave.
Germany 30 days
Plus basically unlimited sick days
Somewhat true. After six weeks you will get paid by the health insurance (around 70% of your paycheck).
Ontario, Canada.
Employees with less than five years of employment are entitled to two weeks of vacation time after each 12-month vacation entitlement year. Employees with five or more years of employment are entitled to three weeks of vacation time.
If you read the link you will find the employer is allowed to pay out your vacation time as a % of pay. This is very common especially in lower wage sectors. You are then supposed to save up the money yourself to pay yourself for vacation when you take time off. In effect, you don’t get any paid vacation.
edit: I’ll also add that you have no right to select WHEN you take your vacay. A friend of mine worked in a factory that shut down for 2 weeks in august for maintenance, painting, service the machines etc. So everyone had to take their vacation during that time; no choice. That is unusual but not prohibited.
https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/vacation
9 public holidays
https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/public-holidays
Employees are entitled to up to 3 sick leave days per year once they have worked for an employer for at least 2 consecutive weeks.
This is new since COVID. Which at the time it was introduced, mandated 10 days away from work.
https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/sick-leave
There are also other kinds of leave like parental, bereavement and such, if you click any links you can see that in the sidebar. Nothing is very lush.
Everything is prorated to a 40 hour work week. Breaks don’t count. So if you work 20 hours per week, you are entitled to half of what is specified.
Any employer can offer more than this, of course. Professionals and higher valued workers can get more. Unions or individuals can negotiate. But a lot of people only get the minimum. Or less. Enforcement is minimal. It’s the honor system.
There are also exceptions like federal workers (government, airlines etc). And farm workers, who basically have zero rights of any sort.
Also when they say “weeks” they do not include weekends. You could theoretically take 3 weeks off but you are not paid for weekends. If you did it piecemeal you would have in fact 15 days. 3 sets of 5.
This is what I would expect though? Like if I work a m-f and not weekends, I’d expect to only be paid for the time I would’ve been working.
I agree with you. My problem is with companies saying you get 2 weeks vacation. It’s really 10 days. Just started it in actual days paid. For instance if I take those days off in small chunks of 3 days at a time. I can do that only 3 times with one day left. Not 4 blocks with two more days left. I rarely take an actual week off. I just want it to be clearer.
US - unlimited
but is it really unlimited? At my last job, it was “unlimited with manager’s approval”, which basically means as long as the manager approves you’re good to go, no hard limits, but in practice managers wouldn’t approve more than 2-4 weeks (10-20 work days) a year, usually.
There are some things that influence the actual time off:
- I am bonused on my hours billed, so if I’m off more that 6 weeks in a 6 month period, I won’t get my bonus.
- I work from home, so I don’t take as many days off for being sick because I’m not worried about spreading germs.
- I don’t like to make out of office plans, so I take PTO between contracts. If I have a lot of work going on, I take less time off.
Unlimited paid time off? That means you are unemployed and rich?
No, my work just doesn’t like to track PTO.
That’s kind of mysterious, can you elaborate? Are you self-employed or a CEO or something like that?
I am an owner in the business and we have decided that we want to pay for outcomes instead of butts in chairs. I don’t care if everyone leaves at noon if the work is done. And I certainly don’t want to track it.
Interesting, thanks for your frankness!
US. 20 vacation days, 6 personal days, 7 paid holidays.
Longest vacation I’ve taken has been about 10 days not counting weekends.
10 days is our max away from home. We’ve done 14 twice and both times it was just too long.
USA, I usually take a day or two at a time, either when I’m sick or I have a doctor’s appointment.
I get 40 hours of PTO per year and both sick and vacation come from the same pool, sick days count as “points” though and you get 3 points in a 6 month period, exceeding that is termination.
Unpaid time off isn’t an option until you run out of PTO.Canada - Four weeks vacation. Five and a half years with the company.
To explain for those not in Canada… It is usual in Canada for a job to start with a low level of PTO an then add a week every few years that you stay with the company. This usually is capped at 6 weeks.
You can, of course negotiate an amount of PTO when you accept a job. Someone coming into a more senior position wouldn’t expect to start with just two weeks of PTO.
Thanks for adding context.
You usually don’t get holidays for the first year. After that you start with two weeks. It usually takes much longer to get another week and you might get 4 weeks after 10 years, 15 years in many cases.
Fortunately for me, my bosses respect me and when they couldn’t get me the pay bump I wanted they gladly hooked me up with time off instead.
