If there’s an actual debate you’ve got to define terms. People’s definitions of ‘leftist’ can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and… mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So ‘what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?’ will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan
What? Who? Where? That’s an absolutely wild take.
And people love the no true Scotsman fallacy and constantly throw out that the person isn’t really this or that
So it’s accurate but they’re both wrong because
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He is the left.
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He shouldn’t even be trying to converse with literal USSR advocates and literal anarchists as if they were part of his base.
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Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it’s fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.
It’s better not to equate the two parties of the USA to the parties in a parliamentary system it’s a different beast.
The Democrats are the coalition of the left of center interest groups of the current time, and Republicans the coalition of the right of center interest groups of the current time.
These groups are more the parties of the parliamentary system and run candidates in the primaries of their respective parties, and possibly as independent from time to time (particularly when they feel a bit pushed out of the main parties). Also they push these candidates at all levels (local, state, congress ect)
I would love some sort of rank choice/instant runoff ballots to make more choices easier in the voting lineup, however those who are pushing for third parties without trying to run local politicians or promoting policies ect will likely not succeed in that system either.
this whole platform be like:
I was recently banned for being “transphobic” for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I’m not far right nor have I ever been.
I’ve been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word “transgender” meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?
I’m banned from like 6 blahaj zone communities for one comment I made where me and two other users discussed the overlap of trans and gay.
This one was a lemmy.world, specifically 196.
Same mods I think.
Ah okay. I get why Lemmy hides moderator actions, because some weirdos out there will harass and stalk a moderator IRL for banning them for spewing slurs everywhere and trying to post CSAM, but on the flip side it irritates me that I can’t avoid whatever communities that moderator who banned me moderates.
Even with zero chip on my shoulder about the ban, it’s clear that we don’t have anywhere near the same definition of “transphobic” and I’d like to save us both the time of butting heads about it. Win win, if I can proactively avoid participating in a community they preside over.
Lemmy doesn’t hide moderator actions. The modlog is completely public by default, an instance admin can change that but doing so is not normal.
It says “moderator” banned me.
Lemmy has a REALLY bad problem with people who dont actually read comments and process them. They skim read the post, see a few keywords and then argue the point that they want to argue regardless of what the original comment was.
I was actually back and forth a bit with an admin among other folks, likely the one who nuked the thread and banned me.
Nobody was being rude, and the last thing I said was agreeing with them.
But… That’s like 80% of the internet.
I made this for a comment (about small-data images, jpegs) days ago:
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
That’s mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn’t matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they’re higher up the pecking order.
One thing I’ve always wondered, who/what decides their hierarchy?
God
(Aka their pastor)
Oh deer
Money
Thry guy who finds himself on top determines the hierarchy until someone supplants him ny whatever means.
Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.
This seems like sarcasm, which is valid, but what you said is also absolutely true. The primary virtue of the left is also its biggest weakness when it comes to implementation.
The right has their fair share of infighting. They may all want heirarchy, but they disagree on who should be on top. They can all agree on scapegoating an outgroup, but disagree on which people fall into that outgroup. Like, the ultimate endgame of fascism is for the last fascist to kill the second to last fascist for not being white enough.
They appear to be united because most of us don’t go into their spaces and lurk, because, I mean, ew. If a Trump supporter came to Lemmy, they’d find people quite united against them, and if one of us went on Truth Social, we’d find them quite united against us, but that doesn’t mean they actually get along internally.
Heh, don’t let that fool you, they still infight like crazy despite that. Examples include the hilarious collapse of the NJP, the assassination of Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and labeling every existing neo-Nazi group “feds” because they’re inevitably embarrassing and scandal-filled.
Honestly I’m fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn’t self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don’t self-crit.
I would like more unity with people who share alignment with me. Except for anyone who has a slightly different opinion than me on certain issues, screw those people.
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Circular firing squad
I’ve seen situations here on lemmy where I would cause it if I where to argue with someone
I am leftist
Why can’t we have Leftist Unity? The fucking Rightists can agree on hating “The Libz”
Why can’t we agree on hating cons? Sadly I can’t even get Leftist factions to agree on “LGBT Rights are based and cool”, because Left-Learning TERFs exist and I’ve had Tankies pull “LGBT Rights is racist because it means forcing Western Ideals where they don’t belong” crap on me.
Of course the only reply to this is a “srs leftist” who immediately proclaims you an enemy for shit you didn’t say
We can’t have leftist unity because the right has never run short on useful idiots
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your lack of participation enabled an actual genocider. think things have gotten better in the last 5 months for gaza? ukraine?
you think you’ll ever take responsibility for your own poor choices?
People on the left love to “well actually…” every issue, every opinion, because nothing in the world is 100%, but when something is 85%+ we should just stfu about it, agree and move on to more pressing issues.
But of course we can’t, so we keep losing.
Because being a leftist just isnt as fun when you dont hate everyone and everything. Hate is fun
We can’t even use the best slurs because we’re too considerate.
I don’t hate most leftists (or even non-leftists for that matter). I hate the kind that hate other leftists. The lemmy.ml tankies always complain that people who disagree with them are splitting the left, when they’re the ones calling everybody who vaguely disagrees with them a liberal. Not purely an ML thing though, there’s plenty of this kind of person in all camps.
I think lacking self awareness is a requirement to be a tankie
But after they called me a liberal for supporting Ukraine, they said they respect anarchists. They must be our friends! /s
The right opposes free thought and favors conformity to support the privileged few.
The left favors free thought and opposes conformity, because that would impede social progress.
Yeah, I wonder why one of those groups is likely to have public arguments.
Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. “If you don’t believe XYZ, you’re a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc.”
I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).
Some of the most authoritarian people I come into contact with on any kind of regular basis are “leftists” on Lemmy.
The ones in real life are not like that. I feel like Reddit’s moderation model really encourages it, and some of them started really taking it to heart when they came to Lemmy which copied that same model.
It’s a different version of the tolerance paradox
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. (Source Wikipedia)
The problem is not public arguments, but groups rejecting other groups for ideological reasons. I personally know people who are like “you can be a communist, or you can be wrong”.
The reality is that there are left groups, especially far-left groups, who will already dismiss your opinion on everything for not categorically rejecting a (social) markets economy. Doesn’t matter if you agree in all other points.
A fundamental disagreement on a foundational principle is going to be a hurdle, indeed.
The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.
See Ken Loach’s Land & Freedom on how factionalism and in-fighting within the Republican forces in the Spanish Civil war allowed the fascist Junta to win.
Just so we’re clear, democrats are blue conservatives and are not leftists.
The meme is still accurate though. Why does Futurama look so anime? Did i miss a new episode?
It’s from an episode that does a terribly shallow parody of anime. Ya know the kind where there’s tentacle monsters everywhere despite me not being able to name a single anime I’ve ever seen that has that, just Western Parodies of anime and everyone talks in horrible Engrish in forced asian accents, even though not even dubbers as inept as 4Kids do that?
Basically the “I’m 65 and the only Japanese Cartoon I’ve ever seen is Speed Racer, and maybe parts of one episode of Pokemon my nephew was watching? But I’ve still totally got this guys!” school of anime parodies.
I fucking hate shallow parodies.
The same episode also parodied a lot of 80’s cartoons; Namely Smurfs and GI Joe, and did a much better job of doing so… Mostly because the writers had actually seen Smurfs and GI Joe.
Season 6 episode 26
this is the long way to become right wing
Look what they did to my boi.
