Nobody is left enough for anyone else on the left. You agree with me on an issue but differ on execution? You may as well be Trump!
Why do leftists adopt all the most horrible traits of trump supporters?
Political polarization is a weapon, heard of the phrase “divide and conquer” They know how to churn up, scramble and disempower those on the side of anti-domination And that’s why all Kulaks will get the bullet and the red empire must extinguish all alternative off the face of this planet and every other planet around all stars
Cue the speech at the end of Team America World Police
So peace was never an option
Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it’s fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.
It’s better not to equate the two parties of the USA to the parties in a parliamentary system it’s a different beast.
The Democrats are the coalition of the left of center interest groups of the current time, and Republicans the coalition of the right of center interest groups of the current time.
These groups are more the parties of the parliamentary system and run candidates in the primaries of their respective parties, and possibly as independent from time to time (particularly when they feel a bit pushed out of the main parties). Also they push these candidates at all levels (local, state, congress ect)
I would love some sort of rank choice/instant runoff ballots to make more choices easier in the voting lineup, however those who are pushing for third parties without trying to run local politicians or promoting policies ect will likely not succeed in that system either.
So it’s accurate but they’re both wrong because
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He is the left.
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He shouldn’t even be trying to converse with literal USSR advocates and literal anarchists as if they were part of his base.
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I seriously wish leftist unity was more of a thing. And no, liberals, I’m not talking about you.
Is this oneof those /s moments or a /r/wooosh moment?
Liberals are only considered “the left” in the USA. I am not in the USA.
Like you have a point, it just feels like it’s against the spirit of the post.
I see liberals (at least in the US) as folks that mean well, but maybe aren’t so informed. They can have a seat at my table.
Although I recognize that people can change. But those unwilling to are not welcome to me. At that point they stop being liberals anyway.
Any reasoning that is mainly centered around giving people specific labels, and then making sweeping generalizations about what everyone with that label does and why it’s therefore okay to hate anyone you have chosen to apply that label to because of things some other people have done, is almost always some bullshit.
Also, yes, it’s ironic that you’re posting this under their specific meme.
I totally respect having boundaries like that. Some folks just won’t hear a word you say.
There’s only so many times that liberals can side with right wingers on issues that I care about before I recognize them as enemies.
Almost like different countries are unique with unique people, places and problems… but that seems to be a nuanced idea so you’d probably reject it
Burgerlander detected, opinion discarded.
My money’s on wooosh but it could be either one tbh.
Kek
This meme reminded me of all the different flavours of Christianity.
There are inherently more ways to imagine changes than to point at the status quo.
If there’s an actual debate you’ve got to define terms. People’s definitions of ‘leftist’ can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and… mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So ‘what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?’ will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan
What? Who? Where? That’s an absolutely wild take.
And people love the no true Scotsman fallacy and constantly throw out that the person isn’t really this or that
I have never met a leftist I didn’t like
but I only consider somebody a leftist if they respect human rights.
Unfortunately all the wanna-be Pol Pots out there also consider themselves to be leftists.
Political ideology is a spectrum, and I feel that Leftists tend to be as hostile towards those they deem ‘not as left’ as them, just as much as they are towards Fascists, Neo-Cons and their ilk.
It’s basically the no true Scotsman fallacy manifest.
I’m always under the assumption that everyone can be an asshole. I had a very good friend qnd we’re both vegans. To me it’s just a dietary choice that i made, for her it was almost like a religion. Like when she met someone who was also a vegan or saw someone on tv that was a vegan, she always assumed that it’s a good person, or just rooted for that person, no questions asked.
Are we talking about actual leftist infighting, or mistaking liberals for the left and calling it infighting?
Also I’m almost certain that the actual left infights far less than the right. The only reason two Trump administrations hasn’t started the literal fourth reich yet is because they infight so hard that they can’t stick to any plan.
centrists say everything is all progressives fault. But also that progressives will never be allowed to have any place of authority in the party. They’d sooner court republicans. So they will lose the youth vote for good and go extinct, assuming the country survives their idiocy at all.
Centrists will blend quietly into the right the way that Homer backs his way into a hedge.
Liberals, as in advocates for liberalism and not a liberal party (which doesn’t even exist in the USA), are the entire left of the USA.
this whole platform be like:
I was recently banned for being “transphobic” for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I’m not far right nor have I ever been.
I’ve been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word “transgender” meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?
Lemmy has a REALLY bad problem with people who dont actually read comments and process them. They skim read the post, see a few keywords and then argue the point that they want to argue regardless of what the original comment was.
I was actually back and forth a bit with an admin among other folks, likely the one who nuked the thread and banned me.
Nobody was being rude, and the last thing I said was agreeing with them.
But… That’s like 80% of the internet.
I’m banned from like 6 blahaj zone communities for one comment I made where me and two other users discussed the overlap of trans and gay.
This one was a lemmy.world, specifically 196.
Same mods I think.
Ah okay. I get why Lemmy hides moderator actions, because some weirdos out there will harass and stalk a moderator IRL for banning them for spewing slurs everywhere and trying to post CSAM, but on the flip side it irritates me that I can’t avoid whatever communities that moderator who banned me moderates.
Even with zero chip on my shoulder about the ban, it’s clear that we don’t have anywhere near the same definition of “transphobic” and I’d like to save us both the time of butting heads about it. Win win, if I can proactively avoid participating in a community they preside over.
Lemmy doesn’t hide moderator actions. The modlog is completely public by default, an instance admin can change that but doing so is not normal.
It says “moderator” banned me.
One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
Honestly I’m fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn’t self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don’t self-crit.
The right has their fair share of infighting. They may all want heirarchy, but they disagree on who should be on top. They can all agree on scapegoating an outgroup, but disagree on which people fall into that outgroup. Like, the ultimate endgame of fascism is for the last fascist to kill the second to last fascist for not being white enough.
They appear to be united because most of us don’t go into their spaces and lurk, because, I mean, ew. If a Trump supporter came to Lemmy, they’d find people quite united against them, and if one of us went on Truth Social, we’d find them quite united against us, but that doesn’t mean they actually get along internally.
Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
That’s mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn’t matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they’re higher up the pecking order.
One thing I’ve always wondered, who/what decides their hierarchy?
God
(Aka their pastor)
Oh deer
Thry guy who finds himself on top determines the hierarchy until someone supplants him ny whatever means.
Money
Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.
This seems like sarcasm, which is valid, but what you said is also absolutely true. The primary virtue of the left is also its biggest weakness when it comes to implementation.
Heh, don’t let that fool you, they still infight like crazy despite that. Examples include the hilarious collapse of the NJP, the assassination of Rockwell (leader of the American Nazi Party) and labeling every existing neo-Nazi group “feds” because they’re inevitably embarrassing and scandal-filled.
I would like more unity with people who share alignment with me. Except for anyone who has a slightly different opinion than me on certain issues, screw those people.
Circular firing squad
I’ve seen situations here on lemmy where I would cause it if I where to argue with someone
I am leftist
Why can’t we have Leftist Unity? The fucking Rightists can agree on hating “The Libz”
Why can’t we agree on hating cons? Sadly I can’t even get Leftist factions to agree on “LGBT Rights are based and cool”, because Left-Learning TERFs exist and I’ve had Tankies pull “LGBT Rights is racist because it means forcing Western Ideals where they don’t belong” crap on me.
Of course the only reply to this is a “srs leftist” who immediately proclaims you an enemy for shit you didn’t say
We can’t have leftist unity because the right has never run short on useful idiots
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your lack of participation enabled an actual genocider. think things have gotten better in the last 5 months for gaza? ukraine?
you think you’ll ever take responsibility for your own poor choices?
People on the left love to “well actually…” every issue, every opinion, because nothing in the world is 100%, but when something is 85%+ we should just stfu about it, agree and move on to more pressing issues.
But of course we can’t, so we keep losing.
Because being a leftist just isnt as fun when you dont hate everyone and everything. Hate is fun
We can’t even use the best slurs because we’re too considerate.
