Bye Netflix, hello plex.
Tried Jellyfin because of Plex enshittification…
…stuck with Jellyfin for the better performance!
I have some bad news for you
You seems unaware of plex enshitification. Bye bye plex, Hello Jellyfin.
I was! Thanks for the info, I’ll be checking out Jellyfin instead.
Eh, tbh it still does the core basics of streaming my content and Metadata management, so I don’t really care about enshitification of ‘extra’ features that I never use. It’s still the easiest way to share media
You think the enshittification will stop at the extra features you dont use?
Yes, because the core mechanics of their platform is media metadata management and streaming. As long as those work, and my users don’t have to pay anything (because I have a plex pass lifetime already), then it has no effect on me or my users.
All that extra stuff can just be turned off.
They are pushing to make users pay as well
Not quite. Only if users want to stream from a server that doesn’t have a plex pass, in which case the user needs a plex watch pass.
If you (the server owner) have a plex pass, all users (even free accounts) can stream from you without a pass.
If you (the server owner) do not have a plex pass, then the users need a plex watch pass to stream from you.
Essentially, they’re making sure one side or the other has paid, but free to free is being stopped.
https://gizmodo.com/plex-is-going-to-make-you-pay-for-its-best-free-feature-2000578442
From what I have been reading they are planning to charge all users who are streaming remotely… Even if the host is paying.
“If you want to watch you library away from home you’ll have to pay. It also affects anyone you share your home library with. They will have to pay if they are not Plex Pass subscribers themselves. Plex will offer a Remote Watch Pass tier for $2/month or $20/year.”
Now, I am not saying this is by any means a big amount of money or making a judgment call about the reasonableness of them charging for what services… But it definitely seems like they want to ensure they are getting cash from everyone who ever touches Plex. Again, $2 a month is very little, but that’s on top of the charges for the host
And lets be real here for a second. It costs actual money to develop and update Plex. All these people being butthurt about no longer being able to watch everything for free are entitled as fuck. It’s okay to pay developers for their time and expertise. A carpenter expects you to pay them. A painter also expects you to pay them. A software engineer expects to be paid for their work, and they won’t if people use their software for free. If you don’t want to pay for it, download your own shit, and if you’re hosting for a lot of users, tell all the users to download their own shit.
🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️ cmon people, stop making netflix relevant
Stremio plus real debrid. All the services easily on any device.
Is there a way to poison the well so badly and so irrevocably that corporations won’t dare use generative AI for anything? Can we somehow trick these overgrown chatbots to speak ill of their masters in the form of direct-to-stream advertisements?
Nice ahoy mateys!
Jellyfin
94 million people decided $10 a month savings was worth watching ads rather than doing without. Fuck em. They are the reason many things only have an ad supported tier. Pay for stuff or pirate it, but don’t use ad supported tiers when you have a choice.
This is straight up victim blaming.
By what leap of logic do you come to that conclusion. We are talking about entertainment here. Not housing or food. Doing without is an option, and there is plenty of competition to use instead.
People rail against the rich for caring only about money. But when they make thier own decisions, they do the same. Money first. You pay for ADs with your time first. Then you pay again when ever you buy anything, because advertising whether you saw it or not is part of the price of everything. Paying for your time back alone, would be worth the price. But people put money first. And we all lose. Well except the wealthy.So you’re angry that the poor are choosing the cheap option (🤔) because it helps the wealthy win? You’re righteously indignant because they ignored that “Doing without is an option” and decided to spend some entertainment dollars in a way of their own choosing?
Ok, but I don’t really find that very convincing.
Let’s be real. Do you really believe it’s the poor paying money for an ad supported tier? I don’t. And if you really do, fine. I’ll give the poor a pass if it will allow us to focus on the real problem. People who could afford to pay the full price, but are always chasing deals. It’s also why amazon day exists. Yeah that day. When they raise the price so they can take 30% off and still be charging more than they were before. And then sell out in an hour. It’s why airlines that don’t charge absurd fees can’t compete. A large block of people always chase the lowest price.
I just think it doesn’t matter. We live in an economy designed to suck every possible penny from every person and pay them the least amount it possibly can, to ensure the enrichment of the 1%
Someone wants to keep a few more bucks in their pocket rather than spend more in some principled stance that will change absolutely nothing anyhow, I’m not going to judge them for it. Life fucking sucks for just about everyone in the US right now, to varying degrees. On the list of things I might judge my fellow man for, that seems ludicrously privileged and self centered.
You don’t get to decide who is poor enough for it to be “OK” for them to buy the cheap tier. I mean, sure, you do get to have that opinion of course, but man I’m sorry I think you are really kind of a jerk to have this attitude.
Poor enough in this context is on the spender not me. If they are doing the ad tier because they feel they can’t afford it otherwise, fine. I have no qualms with them. It’s the hypocrites that rail against the rich for thier money grubbing actions and then turn around and support the ad tier so that they can build wealth themselves that are the problem. You seem to be working harder and harder to make me fit your initial opinion of me rather than letting it go and reform it on new information. If that makes you feel better in your day, glad I could help.
I paid for the ad tier of disneyplus and use an adblocker. Seems to work well so far.
I will call that a grey area. You still count on the roles as a sub of the ad tier. And probably in all the data it assumes you saw the ads. So it helps perpetuate the problem. But if enough people do it, it will reduce whar advertisers pay, which might reduce the problem.
Yeah idk. I don’t want to support this but I also don’t want to spend anymore than the minimum on streaming. I plan to unsubscribe after finishing Andor anyway.
I guess you could spend time to help make it easier for others to block ads, or straight up help them. That could tip the balance into doing more to fight it than to support it. Or just learn to straight up pirate. Then you are 100% on the fighting it side.
I recently setup my own Jellyfin server with qbittorent search plug-ins and its so easy. Netflix is really playing with fire here cause people will leave when pushed enough as it’s becoming so easy to switch. You can just hop on your friends server too
While I am in the same boat as you, you severely overestimate the tech-affinity of the average Netflix user.
Pirating content safely, setting up a media server for it, share it with other people… it is all possible, there is good documentation out there. But aside from having the drive to do this, you also need to invest time to keep it running and maintain it.
The average person out there is happy to pay Netflix money so they don’t need to do that.
Edit: add to that also the fact that it is technically illegal in many countries. This is probably also a deterrent for the average person.
The normies can’t do this argument never sat well with me when it comes to tech, as if their ignorance somehow diminishes the software or process for everyone else.
I also appreciate them. If more people pirated, we might have a tighter crackdown from world governments over it, luckily the streaming services get enough pleb bux to keep the peace.
But with Jellyfin you don’t necessarily need to do that yourself. You can have a friend with a server or pay some shady dude 5$/mo to use his server.
If you have a friend who is invested in this, sure. How many have one?
And paying some shady dude on the net versus paying a “reputable” company… I don’t think the average person will go for that either.
I think you underestimate people’s drive for a bargain.
This was a decade back, but the satellite paytv system here was not cheap. $50/m for base, up to $150/m for full. A technical crew worked out how to pirate it by hooking the verification card up to a dongle on a PC and sending the verification requests from each set-top box over a VPN back to their master device. They sold access to the system for about $100 (for the dongle & setup) and then $10-20/month for full access to the Fox-based service. Went on for years before loose lips sunk the ship, and their were thousands of users when it got busted. No marketing, no Internet presense, just word of mouth “I know a guy”.
The modern Internet-based streaming pirate services that people can buy cheap devices for on ebay preconfigured, and pay $5-10/m for access to all movies and TV? Cheaper and faster access, all online, nobody has to visit your home. Everything is easier and the barrier of entry is lower.
If Netflix and others don’t stop being so greedy, they’ll be reminded that people only play by the rules when the terms are reasonable.
Of course getting real data here is very difficult but I really do feel its becoming very easy to be a pirate.
I can only share my anecdotes that I see right now - if I type in “iptv” to the main e-commerce websites here in Thailand (Lazada, Shopee, tiktok) all have hundreds of listings and thousands of monthly sales. Iptv piracy tech UX is very similar to Plex or Jellyfin tho the latter is more expensive to run and more legally challenging but the UX from the customers pov is identical. Buy a subscription, get account details and app install instructions, connect and watch. So UX is not the barrier here imo.
There are also tools inspired by popcorn time like Stremio + Torrentio which is basically pirate netflix with no UX overhead at all - click and play - but the quality still isn’t great there due to lack of p2p supply and the install process is not accessible to grannies.
As an ancient pirate myself, this does worry me a bit as it’s becoming too easy and corporate services are really pushing the consumers which brings way too much attention to piracy and might result in more DRM shit being added everywhere.
For $5/m, I’m your friend!
i just subscribe to the netflix tier that serves all streams as torrents
Same here. Best part is that they even have non-Netflix media in that tier. Love it.
Not to me, they fucking won’t
Hate to see it but… it makes sense.
It’s wrong, sure, in many ways (privacy, ecology, ethically depending on the dataset) but if there is 1 application where generative AI ads would make sense is through a personalized stream. So… yes it’s bad, consumers might reject it, but it’s not the actually dumbest way to use a terrible technology.
To be clear, again, I 100% hate it but if I was a greedy Netflix stakeholder I’d think “Hmmm yes, maybe!”.
If I down vote this does it show my disappointment of netflix or the OP? 🤔
I like that they give everyone an exact date to cancel their membership.
No they won’t 🏴☠️
Rejecting Netflix fixes things for you and me, but the article says Netflix has 93 million ad-supported subscribers. I’m really worried about the amount of influence advertisers have on our society, and it’s only getting worse. Even if you and I can be above the direct influence of these ads, many people are not, and those people are influencing you and me. This produces a dangerous secondary influence that can reach most of society, and just fills everyone’s mind with lies, for hardly any cost.
No different than the decades of ad supported broadcast television.
Except I didn’t pay a monthly fee for over the air TV. The Jeffersons didn’t cost 4.99 a month
Terrible argument. You can’t ignore scale. Algorithmic timelines increase efficacy and precision of ads tremendously. These platforms know exactly who to target with what ad, at what time, with what frequency to get the desired result. It’s like comparing a horse and buggy to a sports car.
Generative ads will be even worse because they can be made specifically to each individual.
Eh, people are dumb as bricks. If it’s not ads it’s some fake news, social media nonsense, ai bullshit. It’s really pointless to worry about. You can either accept that you are sharing the planet with Trump voters and suckers who fell for NFTs or you will just go crazy.
They will. We just won’t see them when we watch their shows.
YoHoHo Arrrrghhhhhh!!!
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