• RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
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    5 days ago

    Anyone who thinks this is an oxymoronic stance hasn’t bothered to understand the argument and shouldn’t be entering the ring to argue against them.

    If a cis man is strength/endurance/physical capability X, a cis woman is X-1, and a trans woman is X-0.5, there’s no contradiction here.

    They would still have an unfair advantage in women’s sports and still be less capable of physical feats compared to cis men.

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      5 days ago

      Your argument works if they do not allow any women into the military, which I believe is not the case.

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        5 days ago

        You misunderstood my comment if you thought I was making an argument.

        I generally haven’t kept up with the military since I got out, but women in “combat arms” MOSs were strictly forbidden, like infantry and artillery. Are you asserting that is no longer the case for the US or other militaries?

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          I generally haven’t kept up with the military since I got out, but women in “combat arms” MOSs were strictly forbidden, like infantry and artillery. Are you asserting that is no longer the case for the US or other militaries?

          … that hasn’t been the case since Obama’s second term.

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      5 days ago

      https://www.gendergp.com/new-report-confirms-trans-athletes-do-not-have-biomedical-advantage-in-elite-sport/

      https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/four-myths-about-trans-athletes-debunked

      https://newsroom.uw.edu/blog/expert-science-wont-resolve-debates-about-trans-athletes

      Here are a few sources talking about why that is not really grounded in science, it’s a nuanced issue and depending on the sport and the level of hormone therapy a trans person has gone through because that can determine things that you wouldn’t expect like muscle mass and even bone density/length. On top of that some cis women have naturally more testosterone than average, and we’re seeing some biological women’s eligibility in sports be questioned because of this trans panic. The answer is: it’s just not that simple. Hormones and chromosomes aren’t constant across biological males and females and they aren’t they aren’t a good basis for allowing/preventing certain people to play certain sports.

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        5 days ago

        Gender and sex are surely complicated spectrums, but to state what’s stated in the OP as if to show their take is oxymoronic simply twists their take.

        I’d bet anything this quote is just as popular in right wing circles because they believe OP is clearly missing the point, which technically they are.