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If your first instinct as a westerner is to criticize and lecture 3rd world communist movements, instead of learning from their successes, then you have internalized the patronizing arrogance of the colonial system you claim to oppose.

  • VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com
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    1 day ago

    I remember watching a documentary about North Korea and one of the guides was talking about how people in NK and Asia more broadly don’t necessarily want to live under the same liberal-democratic capitalist system that the west tries to impress on them.

    How arrogant are we to act like we have it all figured out and that countries outside of Europe and North America are backwards shitholes?

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      8 hours ago

      There is absolutely a discussion to be had here.

      Of course people should be allowed to have their own government setups and authorities. It would be wrong to assume that we in the west have it all figured out.

      However there are still questions of fundamental human rights. In many places of the world a woman can legally be raped, it’s the woman’s responsibility to always have a male relative with them. If we were to ask women what they thought about it they would probably say that there is no problem with it, that’s just how it works. These women have been so indoctrinated by it that they don’t question it.

      We could also use slavery in America as an example. Many slaves probably accepted the argument that they had a better living standard as slaves, or some other argument that made them accept the status quo. Should Europe just have accepted that that is the way life goes over there?

      Where does the line go between fundamental human rights and respecting other ways of life go? Western fundamental rights such as equal rights, right to a trial, right to life, etc. are just that, western.

      • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
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        4 hours ago

        Liberals desperately need to read Losurdo - Liberalism, a counter-history.

        Even the liberal equality before the law, (ie, the illegality for the rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges and beg for food* was denied to colonized peoples and peoples of colonial origin.

        Every one of your liberal ideologues was extremely racist, and didn’t think colonized peoples deserved any of the rights they proclaimed for the white community. John Locke, and the first 5 or so US presidents owned slaves. Tocqueville pushed for the decimation of civilians in Algeria at the hands of the french imperialists, and wrote a book on the US that ignored slavery, lynchings, and native eviction. There are too many more cases to cover.