It’s a meme designed to express dissatisfaction with income equality and the desire to fix it. What isn’t clear to me is what qualifies as “rich”. Because a US based entry-level fast food worker is at the 50th percentile of richest people in the world by income, after accounting for cost of living and other regional inequality.
It’s also pretty clear from studies that everyone in the top 30% of the richest in the world will need to give up a lot of our privileges if we’re going to address climate change, and I don’t think people realise how rich they actually are. https://wid.world/income-comparator/ uses some of the latest research to help you find out, it’s definitely worth a look.
How is it victim blaming to try to define the scope? Most of the demographic who visit lemmy wouldn’t consider fast food workers to be rich, and I certainly don’t, but by income they are literally at the halfway point globally. To the billions of people who are below even the 25th percentile, they may well consider a US fast food worker rich. The extreme poverty that exists in this world is a very well hidden atrocity, but the perspectives of those people still matter to me and still should be taken into account.
The sad reality is that most of the people reading your comment and mine are naturally going to be privileged enough to have literacy education, internet access, and the spare time to browse the internet.
Too many leftists think locally and not globally; underprivileged individuals in other countries half a world away are easy for them to disqualify as an “out of context problem”, when we should all be in this together: global intersectionality.
To an extent, it’s completely understandable. To have a significant proportion of the richest people in the world struggle to pay all their bills or afford medical care is a really hard concept to reconcile. And if you’re someone who has never been exposed to a sizable group of people who don’t have a reliable source of clean water or the most basic of staple foods, it’s very easy to not realise how privileged you might be - even if you’re really genuinely struggling compared to everyone around you.
To me it highlights that the problem is much deeper than wealth inequality, even though that’s a huge symptom. But that’s another topic altogether.
Thanks for understanding where I was coming from though!
There have been several studies showing that the wealth of a nation has less impact on the general welfare of that nation’s citizens than wealth inequality does. By that metric, saying “Fast food people are objectively rich if you compare them to the world” has to be either ignorant, or purposefully misleading.
I’m using the original definition of the word meme: “a unit of cultural information spread by imitation”. Meme as a word doesn’t imply that it’s a comedic image macro on the internet, but I appreciate that the more modern slang usage might have made that confusing for you.
Its more to do with the connotation of calling something a meme.
Maybe I am out of the loop but the description for a meme that was previously given has never occupied my mind whilst seeing a meme.
Eat the rich with the laymen’s understanding of a meme does not fit the perceived definition.
Where as eat the rich and its evolution still has the same connotation as it had when first spoken, most likely due to it be a quite with historical meaning.
I am wrong with the given definition but I still see there being understandable confusion and a need for meme to evolve for it to used without confusion.
No it’s really a very similar situation - meme was coined in 1976 (Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene) and was pretty widely known.
Internet memes were thus named because they are literally a subset of memes. So for people who know the wider meaning of the term it’s still got the same connotations. Calling internet memes “memes” isn’t problematic for us.
What’s happened to you is kind of like when people say “animal” but they’re only thinking of mammals. In most contexts the missing scope isn’t noticeable.
Which is understandable but going after someone for not knowing about the French revolution is a lot like going after someone for not knowing about meme theory.
Yeah if you’re interested in origins of a phrase’s meaning, I think you’ better look into what a “meme” actually originally is before criticizing its useage here.
I just think a lot of the people who are keen for “eat the rich”, especially in its more violent forms, may not realise they’re on the menu themselves when the issue is looked at from a global all-of-humanity perspective. And, I encourage people to really think about who and what is included or excluded in the definitions of “rich”, what level of variation is acceptable to them, and what a sustainable living situation even looks like for the world’s population if we had total equality. They’re all very hard questions that I don’t have an answer to either.
It’s a meme designed to express dissatisfaction with income equality and the desire to fix it. What isn’t clear to me is what qualifies as “rich”. Because a US based entry-level fast food worker is at the 50th percentile of richest people in the world by income, after accounting for cost of living and other regional inequality.
It’s also pretty clear from studies that everyone in the top 30% of the richest in the world will need to give up a lot of our privileges if we’re going to address climate change, and I don’t think people realise how rich they actually are. https://wid.world/income-comparator/ uses some of the latest research to help you find out, it’s definitely worth a look.
Whole lot of blaming the victims going on in this one. No one is picturing a fast food worker when they say eat the rich and you know it.
How is it victim blaming to try to define the scope? Most of the demographic who visit lemmy wouldn’t consider fast food workers to be rich, and I certainly don’t, but by income they are literally at the halfway point globally. To the billions of people who are below even the 25th percentile, they may well consider a US fast food worker rich. The extreme poverty that exists in this world is a very well hidden atrocity, but the perspectives of those people still matter to me and still should be taken into account.
The sad reality is that most of the people reading your comment and mine are naturally going to be privileged enough to have literacy education, internet access, and the spare time to browse the internet.
Too many leftists think locally and not globally; underprivileged individuals in other countries half a world away are easy for them to disqualify as an “out of context problem”, when we should all be in this together: global intersectionality.
To an extent, it’s completely understandable. To have a significant proportion of the richest people in the world struggle to pay all their bills or afford medical care is a really hard concept to reconcile. And if you’re someone who has never been exposed to a sizable group of people who don’t have a reliable source of clean water or the most basic of staple foods, it’s very easy to not realise how privileged you might be - even if you’re really genuinely struggling compared to everyone around you.
To me it highlights that the problem is much deeper than wealth inequality, even though that’s a huge symptom. But that’s another topic altogether.
Thanks for understanding where I was coming from though!
There have been several studies showing that the wealth of a nation has less impact on the general welfare of that nation’s citizens than wealth inequality does. By that metric, saying “Fast food people are objectively rich if you compare them to the world” has to be either ignorant, or purposefully misleading.
Hell yes.
Its from the French revolution you silly person
If the question OP asked was about the origin of the phrase, your reply would be a great starting point as a top level comment.
Its not a meme, its a historical quotes. Unless your saying you see it as a meme, which to me a meme is silly and easily thrown away
I’m using the original definition of the word meme: “a unit of cultural information spread by imitation”. Meme as a word doesn’t imply that it’s a comedic image macro on the internet, but I appreciate that the more modern slang usage might have made that confusing for you.
In 50 years if “meme” evolves in the general dialect to have these connotations you pointed out I’ll feel better about it
It started from what @fiat_lux defined.
It’s ironic that you want people to recognise the roots of “eat the rich” but you’re unwilling to recognise the roots and wider meaning of “meme”.
Its more to do with the connotation of calling something a meme.
Maybe I am out of the loop but the description for a meme that was previously given has never occupied my mind whilst seeing a meme.
Eat the rich with the laymen’s understanding of a meme does not fit the perceived definition.
Where as eat the rich and its evolution still has the same connotation as it had when first spoken, most likely due to it be a quite with historical meaning.
I am wrong with the given definition but I still see there being understandable confusion and a need for meme to evolve for it to used without confusion.
No it’s really a very similar situation - meme was coined in 1976 (Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene) and was pretty widely known.
Internet memes were thus named because they are literally a subset of memes. So for people who know the wider meaning of the term it’s still got the same connotations. Calling internet memes “memes” isn’t problematic for us.
What’s happened to you is kind of like when people say “animal” but they’re only thinking of mammals. In most contexts the missing scope isn’t noticeable.
Which is understandable but going after someone for not knowing about the French revolution is a lot like going after someone for not knowing about meme theory.
Yeah if you’re interested in origins of a phrase’s meaning, I think you’ better look into what a “meme” actually originally is before criticizing its useage here.
And how much can we supply in resources to the bottom 50% by taking even from just the top 1000 richest people?
Maybe enough to make a huge difference. To be clear, I have zero problem with the concept of wealth redistribution to better achieve some kind of equitable outcome (that ideally isn’t at the cost of the environment, which is the big reason that the top global richest will need to give up a lot of travel ).
I just think a lot of the people who are keen for “eat the rich”, especially in its more violent forms, may not realise they’re on the menu themselves when the issue is looked at from a global all-of-humanity perspective. And, I encourage people to really think about who and what is included or excluded in the definitions of “rich”, what level of variation is acceptable to them, and what a sustainable living situation even looks like for the world’s population if we had total equality. They’re all very hard questions that I don’t have an answer to either.