Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called… what exactly?
Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta’s (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? 💡
Anyway, the start to a listing:
- Threadiverse
- Forumverse
- (The) Verse
- Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed
- Something else?
I’ve been calling it threadiverse because that is what I saw most other people call it.
Really all it is is “ActivityPub groups” or if that is too technical, “fediverse groups”.
The linked linkers, because we’re link aggregators that link together.
Lembipie. What else?
(And why does this particular subset need a name, anyway? The plus combo is easier to get the point across with)
Threadiverse
Censorverse… If you don’t tow the line we’ll de-federate you, this aspect of Lemmy defeats the entire purpose of federation, might as well just call it Facebook II.
Thats not censorship though. You can still say whatever you want, just dont act surprised if people dont stick around to hear it.
I feel like that’s more just human nature, which occurs everywhere.
Also, you still retain the right to say whatever you want… though conversely, why then shouldn’t the other side of every single conversation likewise have the right to opt out of it?
Unfortunately Lemmy does not offer great tools (though PieFed offers many more!) to close the enormous gap between “must federate everything” vs. “defederation, thus no longer federates anything at all”. Like there’s a “user instance block”, which doesn’t actually block instances nor users on them. So if someone doesn’t like something, block it is then, bc the tools themselves offer nothing else. We are somehow more authoritian than even Reddit was over here!? Yeah, bc Reddit at least notifies you when your content is removed, and offers a modmail to communicate about it, plus a removed post remains accessible to anyone with a link, but not so wrt Lemmy, which shows a 404 not found, please try again later message when a post is removed by a mod. Seriously, “try again”?! - why, is the mod going to reconsider for some reason?
But… it is what it is.
Well, if you look at the sidebar of !fediverse@piefed.social i included NodeBB. 😅
Forumverse : for any news and features about Lemmy, Mbin, NodeBB, PieFed
So it can’t be Lemmy,Mbin,PieFed. And i’m adding flarum.
However, we can create separate category :
- aggregator link : lemmy,mbin,piefed
- forum : nodebb, flarum
For 4) i’m against. Link aggregator shouldn’t be tied by a software name but a global concept as thread of forum. If i have 6 softwares…do you write them all ?
I think we should redo the post, but, for nom, let’s see where it go 😊
aggriverse
Is that bc of this being a post aggregation? Then wouldn’t it be an “aggreverse”?
fedeverse?
I like that one, but it makes me think of agrivate or agriculture
Or “aggressive”
Lem-bin pie?
Lempiebin?
Bulletinfedi?
Forumverse gets my vote out of the listed options.
Anything containing “fedi” is going to scare people coming from the USA, for the foreseeable future, unfortunately:-(.
As an American, I don’t connect “fedi-” with the feds.
That is halfway a joke.
We also still have Fediverse, to encompass everything that implements the ActivityPub protocol, e.g. Friendica, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops (planned but not implemented yet iirc?). So the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever is meant to distinguish from that.
But Bulletinfedi is distinct enough I think?
Yeah the feds are the feds. That’s it
Because of confederates?
I’m guessing the concern is “the feds”, a pejorative term to refer to undercover police?
As an ESL, I thought that was “narcs”?
That’s “narcissists”.
That too. Short for narcotics officer. But can also generally mean to snitch now in slang.
I’ve always liked threadiverse, since it describes what’s unique about this aspect of the Fediverse.
@OpenStars In the past we had gotten into the habit of calling the set of thread-based environments #threadverse, but the advent of the terrible Meta service has polluted this denomination.
Personally I would use the expression #topicverse
Topicverse sounds kinda nice.
To be fair, people were using Threadiverse before Meta revealed that they were working on their Threads. And now they do not want to switch?
Threadiverse kinda captures it, but it also calls association with Threads (by Meta), like if it’s the parent of it, while in fact it’s not even part of it.
That’s unfortunate, because some of us were using that term before Threads existed.
Forumverse makes the most sense but it really doesn’t roll of the tounge.
Hence I prefer Lemmyverse or Threadiverse.
What about boardnet?
Bc a network of forum boards?
Yeah. I think it has a good ring to it. Maybe forumnet.
Gonna be the odd one out here and say that all of these names are kinda stupid, but Lemmyverse is probably the best of the bunch.
The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.
That’s like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it’s between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.
PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.
So why call this all “Lemmy”, when that’s only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?
