Inception bitch!
I ditched Reddit because the writing’s on the wall for them becoming a complete hellscape with their ramping up of censorship recently, and I jumped ship before that Titanic of a platform sinks.
they are here now
If you’re still on Earth…
Don’t we still have a few years before lemmy somehow enshittifies?
Not really. It’s not a centralized platform by design - unless you’re talking about the flagship instances, which are a common problem with federated projects
It’s impossible by design. If an instance enshittifies people will just leave the instance.
The protocol itself could surely start its journey if enshittification? In which case different, possibly incompatible, branches would spawn fragmenting the Lemmy space. Still miles better than the whole thing burning to the ground. But with no shareholders looming around (yet) we can hope it won’t come to that.
I don’t see how, it’s covered by a good license, and if it did it’d be forked in an instant. Can you give a historical example?
I guess the closest I know of is Maps.me and Organic Maps? Maps.me was open source, but got purchased and enshittified, so Organic Maps was forked from it. And now there is some drama with the Organic Maps shareholders/co-founders, so unless that is (or has it already been?) sorted out we’re likely to see another fork of it.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the main dev(s) members of lemmy.ml? So I can certainly see how differing political views could skew the development of the main branch of Lemmy.
The organic maps founders seem to have convinced the volunteers that a private company would be best to manage an open source project. The community got duped hard.
I agree. And luckily for Lemmy and all other FOSS projects the worst that can happen is a fork of the project is created with a potentially fractured community.
That’s a bad example because it got forked and it wasn’t an actual problem?
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the main dev(s) members of lemmy.ml[3]? So I can certainly see how differing political views could skew the development of the main branch of Lemmy.
People say this all the time but never can give even one example of a potential problem. Preemptive forking sounds insane to me. The notion that lemmy might enshittify because you don’t like their politics is also ridiculous when their politics are anti-capitalist… aka the politics that are least likely to enshittify.
Isn’t that the exact same argument for Twitter? If Twitter gets shitty, people will just leave? Because I feel like we’re not really seeing that.
No, not at all, twitter is not decentralized, with a lemmy instance, if you leave, you lose nothing at all. With twitter, you can’t take the content or your account
Not quite accurate. If you leave an instance, you do lose any posts or comments you had. Not a big loss, but there is that sense of investment in an account and reputation.
It’s entirely possible in the future, since ActivityPub accounts can be “forwarded”. It’s a little clunky but look at Mastodon.
There is only one Twitter whereas anyone can start “a Lemmy” (instance). I am using a different instance than you, for example. So if mine enshittifies I can go somewhere else and still have access to the broader network.
No because Twitter is a walled ecosystem, you can’t move to Bluesky and interact with people on twitter for example.
With federated stuff you can move and still interact with people on other instances.
You’re telling me you can’t cross post links from Twitter to Bluesky and vis versa?
Sure you can, but I can’t follow someone on twitter or bluesky from other platforms.
Links in the bio?
Millions of people have left Twitter, wtf are you talking about?
if .world says being a minor is bannable suddenly there’s no minors anywhere on Lemmy. A minor example that is understandable, sure, but it’s just to show that a single large instance can cause a lot of change if they decide to.
But I don’t think that’s true at all.
I haven’t seen anyone share their age that’s less than 18 since that change 🤷♀️
I hadn’t seen that before the change? I didn’t even know there was one.
that’s a fair point lol, good talking to ya!
Lemmy.world is the second largest Lemmy instance, and less than a third of all users. If someone doesn’t like their rules it is trivial for a person to move to an instance who’s ruleset better aligns with their wishes.
it is trivial for a person to move to an instance who’s ruleset better aligns with their wishes
How?
Can I just move my existing account to a different instance? Or do I need to create a new account on another instance?
perhaps you aren’t aware of how many instances there are that have much looser rules
The fact that this is being upvoted so much I think demonstrates a big misunderstanding of how the fediverse works.
Nobody owns Lemmy and if a instance does something shitty it costs hardly anything to change instances. Nobody owns the lemmy software, and other softwares like mbin/piefed exist too with the same content.
It’d be pretty difficult, any instances that start that shit would be defederated with a quickness, but I don’t want to be too optimistic lol
Sweet, are Advice Animals back?
Reddit has become practically unusable. Mods censor EVERYTHING even if it doesn’t “break the rules” it’s worthless trying to have honest discussions.
Luigi
Luigi is a hero and I don’t care if anyone thinks otherwise.
Luigi is a bright, shinning example of what happens when the powers that be stop listening to the complaints and needs of the peasantry.
You’d think they’d have learned that the last several dozen times lords got too high and mighty and triggered a violent revolt/uprising… but alas…
Luigi is an innocent person who is being framed for being a shooter.
Luigi is also, in all probability, innocent.
Which means the Claims Adjuster is still at large.
If they sentence him to death it’s gonna be the white people version of George Floyd.
slays
I once said on /r/nintendo in the context of Nintendo increasing the price of games that even if you enjoy their products, there’s no excuse to defend their anti consumer practices and that there was way too much “corporate boot licking” among Nintendo fans. It wasn’t a statement directed at anyone specifically, but I got a temporary ban for “derogatory name calling.”
Like…I fully understand it’s going to be a sub of Nintendo fans, and I also consider myself a fan of a lot of their games, but if you aren’t allowed to be critical…then banning me for that post kinda proved my point, lol.
Their threshold for “calls to violence” is ridiculous. Got a ban for commenting I’d slap someone just like the person who got pranked slapped the person who jump scared them.
My ban was for saying there should be mass protests outside the building in which that American judge was held and that these protests should prevent anyone from entering or leaving until that judge is released. Apparently, that’s “violence”, even though it’s self-defence against the violence of a fascist state.
My ban. A bloke purposely ran over a 12 year old boy that was riding his bike. Seems a group of youths had verbally hassled this bloke so this was his reaction. Thankfully it was caught on film. This happened about 50 miles from me here in Australia.
Well anyway my comment was that if he had run over one of my two boys he might have ended up in hospital, there might be broken bones and I might end up in prison. I mean it was an angry knee jerk reaction to a horrible situation.
Well I got a site wide ban for threatening violence. I didn’t actually threaten anybody. No warning, no temp ban, not just banned from that one sub. Appealed but it fell in deaf ears.
I got an instant permanent auto ban for joking about pushing someone down the stairs. It was ‘supporting violence’. I appealed and it was auto rejected. It’s become absurd.
i got a ban for reporting a sub too often where people sold CSAM
Mods censor EVERYTHING
This is not a Reddit issue, this is a “subreddit I’m subscribed to” issue. I’m not seeing that problem.
The problem I AM seeing, though, that’s ACTUALLY making it unusable is how they fucked up the latest UI redesign. Ctrl+Enter no longer works, spellcheck is force-disabled when using the Markdown editor, posts no longer open in a panel, you have to open each one in a separate tab or reload the main feed every single time, everything is slow and clunky… It’s just badly written, badly optimised and badly designed overall.
old.reddit.com is still the best client.
Unfortunately, yes.
Not even censoring, also outright stealing for karma farming. I’ve had perfectly normal photos being criticized as not within the rules for bullshit reasons. An alcoholic drink aggressively marketed in two “variations” for men in women in pointlessly gendered was taken down with the bullshit excuse, that men and women have different metabolisms so it wasn’t pointless. A week later there was a post about this drink with a lot of upvotes and my exact photo from our local supermarket. It was posted by one of the very active accounts. Mods are taking down promising content in some subs just to post it themselves.
Dude im so tired of bans and creepy tracking that ensures you cant engage on the site… I do enjoy the reddit user friendly platform but im so sick of the overreach from the mods… i have had an account up for a while that just got permanently banned because I accidentally engaged with a sub i forgot had banned my og account… and because of that old account that had an IP ban it was somehow tied to my new account made a whole year later! Even though i use duckduckgo with full protection and cleared all my data… but Im done… its not worth the headache…and trying to use lemmy world now feels better. Still getting used to it here
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I fucking hate Reddit.
So spot on! And i needed a place to vent. I’m glad lemmyworld lets us do that. But I’m so done with reddit. They leave up absolutely toxic awful comments and users that are actually bots, but then punish and route out real users… I didn’t really believe the dead internet theory until i realized how much reddit targets real users…
DuckDuckGo doesn’t hide your IP. Your IP is a fundamental networking number used to route traffic to your computer. It can also change for many home internet service providers over time, so it’s a bit stupid of Reddit to use them, though they might be using more advanced fingerprinting mechanisms and merely saying IP.
Wait i thought that’s what the VPN was doing on duckduckgo?
I hear you. Right there with ya.
I dropped Reddit when it was announced that you could be banned for upvoting something.
I just continued using posting the same things I did before until I got banned, trying to figure out how to evade the ban for the sake of it.
Can you catch me up on the lore here
They are memory-holing Luigi over there
How? I thought moderators could only control individual /c/ ?
Oh mb, I thought we were talking about Reddit
They will follow us everywhere. If the medium is commercial, the capitalists will capture it. If its public, the extreme social interest groups will capture it.
“Extreme social interest” like universal healthcare / basic income, human rights, being anti genocide, pro-human rights, basic privacy rights… list goes on.
My good fellow, extremists are not here shitposting, they’re running the biggest economies of the world. World’s richest man did 2 nazi salutes a couple weeks ago. Twitter is full of nazis. Spotify is hosting Andrew Tate podcasts.
“Public/open source = bad” is exactly what those people want the public to think, because it can’t be monetized and easily controlled.
It’s me, I’m the problem… (Sorry I’m old and couldn’t help it)
Sorry I’m old
Anti-hero was only 3 years ago…
Neither of these are true lol. Someone has to tell the right wingers they deserve the death penalty for treason.
Keeping away from X is more of a health thing honestly,
I know at least for me, it leaves me worse off reading through posts on there even if I’ve tried to fight them
That’s legit. If this post were a call for good self care and mental health, I wouldn’t have commented. I tire quite easily of individualistic solutions to social and institutional problems.
Just deleted my reddit and joined Lemmy. Do I have to quit already?
CATHERINE TWINNIE SPOTTED!!! O/
Yeah it’s over
Why? I literally just joined.
they’re messing with you…Lemmy does have a tankie problem:
I saw someone praising Stalin earlier. It seems you’re right.
İf you want a tankies perspective then check out ProleWikil
I don’t think I do.
No, you get to be where you want.
I was joking but thank you. 😁
Well other than politics reddit is quite good. It’s the best for asking stuff about unis, degrees and jobs
Which part is your favourite? The ads every few posts, the lack of meaningful discussion, or the constant barrage of notifications with no purpose?
No it isn’t. You can’t talk freely in there at all without being banned.
I think OP means “the mediocre, least bad intersection between critical mass and topical discussion.”
Like, you can probably find users/subs about universities/fields and actually find people in them to respond. Lemmy is great, but good luck finding a mass of discussion around a niche location/field.
Reddit is horrible and deteriorating, yes, but still.
Yeah that’s what I meant
Being banned for saying your opinion is the worst part
I was banned for saying my country needs gender neutral laws
Bluesky is far far too left.
Would rather be too left than whatever the fuck is happening on twitter.
how is it any less to the left than Lemmy?
Lemmy is very left as well yes. But I’m new here.
Can’t wait 'til you learn about Hexbear and 'grad.
I don’t know what they are and hope I never do haha.
there’s a few communities of authoritarian communists here, like the sort that like Stalin and Mao and they mostly reside on hexbear and (less but still) Lemmy. ml. Btw I’m also pretty new here.
… it’s a social media site… its whatever the people make it.
No. It’s a social media site with an agenda. Just like Twitter. It’s a private company.
Right, it’s all part of the left wing conspiracy to make frogs gay and woke or something right? Go touch some grass.
Dude I’m not on Reddit, Twitter or Bluesky. I love in the real world.
Reddit is like CNN, which is Fox-lite, while xitter is ( oan and newsmax)
There are many communities still on reddit for which there are no alternatives on lemmy as of yet and if you want it to surpass reddit you need to stop with the toxic attitude and the false sense of superiority especially since a lot of the content on this platform is just reposts from 4chan, x, reddit. If curious folk come here and all they see is toxic threads and reposts why would they stay here? This is mostly in response to the comments I’ve seen on here not the thread itself.
Lemmy’s biggest problem is how aggressive and uncompromisingblm the people can be.
Really? I’ve seen Lemmings are much more competent, way higher debate ability, far less disinformation. Also I’ve seen this 10x so far in a month: “sorry, you’re right”. Almost never saw that on Reddit. And I’ve had to say it many times too.
Then we are having different experiences here because I see a lot of extremely flawed understandings of political philosophy and basic/entry level economics.
you been arguing with tankies?
There are geniuses on all sides, I feel its just different priorities and perspectives, not to say they are all geniuses. At least here you can discuss the merits of Austrian economics for instance.
Those that find a lot of merit in Austrian economics would be a great example of the type of people Im talking about were they more common here. Im not seeing a lot of them around
I’m not saying there’s a lot, just a lot more than Reddit.
Reddit has several subs for discussing Austrianism last I checked.
especially the anti-toxicity people
Lol yeah we haven’t heard that before
Wait, what’s wrong with Lemmy?
If you know you know
I mean, I presume… I don’t know, so I don’t know
People don’t actually want to engage with different opinions
It insists upon itself.
The main devs are tankies. That’s all I’m aware of.
I mean even if they are, the software is open source and lemmy is made to work with ActivityPup, an open protocol. That is what matters at the end of the day.
Oh I know, that’s why I kind of shrug it off.
ActivityPup
Who’s a good boy? Now go fetch that remote content and you’ll get a treat!
ahaha, I cant even correct that, it feels wrong
This is what’s insane to me.
Option 1: locked software owned by billionaires who can control the narrative and remove anything they don’t like
Option 2: open-source software anybody can use, coded by people with extreme opinions
It’s pretty clear which one is superior
