I read about WhatsApp and how people can’t part with Meta because of it, however no one on my continent uses it. Why is it so popular in the EU and other parts of the world?
In Quebec a lot of people use it so it’s not unheard of on North America.
Because txt was free over here before Europe. And people are lazy to switch.
Texts still aren’t free in Germany, most of the time, they usually cost around 10 cents each. Sure, you can get free texts for around 2€ a month, but it’s an optional add-on to your plan and not worth it for many people. Especially as everyone uses WhatsApp or Signal anyway, which are basically free (pretty much everyone has a data plan, obviously).
That’s a really bad argument.
Texts got free (or cheap enough not to matter) way before having data enabled on your phone 24/7 was not too expensive.In Canada, text is free and data is still expensive. I believe the most expensive in the entire world! Yay!
No they didn’t, I’ve had phone plans with enough data to use WhatsApp 24/7 (around 2011 probably) way before unlimited texts (don’t know because I haven’t used SMS since forever). In fact I remember way back in 2008 using a website from my phone to send SMS instead of sending them from the phone because it was cheaper. Heck, I think I got unlimited data for WhatsApp before I got unlimited texts, and in fact my current plan has unlimited data but only 100 SMS (or something, I don’t know because I don’t use it).
But the important detail is that I’m not in the US, and this is what you’re missing. In the US for some reason SMS became cheaper, in the rest of the world data became cheaper, which is why still to this day we pay for SMS but get unlimited data whereas in the US it’s the other way around.
And most importantly SMS can’t share all the data WhatsApp and others can. Be it images, videos, locations and similar. Add to that local WIFI which extends life on your data plan and you get more convenience at cheaper prices with extra features. Cell phone network providers really shot themselves in the foot with that one.
That’s maybe like that in the US, but not in Germany. To this day we have like 50 % contracts that have unlimited calls, 10ish GB of data and a fixed price of ~9 ct per text.
Texts are not free in many countries to this day.
I’m in my forties so I was around when cell phones first became a thing and you had to T9 type your messages and was in my late twenties when smartphones became a things. The cost is the right answer. It was much cheaper in the states to txt earlier than other places. So the US stuck with SMS longer as that’s what people were used to and it eventually became free while in other parts of the world it did not but data and WiFi became more affordable, so people jumped to IM.
Remember paid text messaging? That lasted longer in other parts of the world than it did in the US and WhatsApp circumvented that. Also, WhatsApp allowed audio calls to long distance numbers over wifi or data, not the pricy long distance call charge.
From what I can tell, that’s largely it.
SMS was free when I started using WhatsApp, but MMS wasn’t, so I think that was part of why it took off in the UK. You could finally send pictures and videos and have read receipts and typing indicators and group chats. Plus it was instant and reliable where SMS always felt slow and unreliable.
Also it worked on WiFi so you could still use it at home where you might not have had the best phone signal.
It became popular when you had to pay for it. It was a one off fee on iPhone or an annual recurring fee on Android, that’s how much people wanted to get away from SMS.
Probably worth noting that BBM was very popular at that time too but it was exclusive to BlackBerry phones so the concept wasn’t new, but everyone that started moving to iPhone and Android after blackberry wanted the same messaging experience, and WhatsApp provided that.
I’ll never really understand why the north American market didn’t make the jump like everyone else did, because WhatsApp provided so much more, it wasn’t just about cost of messaging.
iMessage is probably why WhatsApp didn’t take off as much in the US, plus tons of alternate messaging platforms, I used to use FB messenger a LOT. Mostly use discord for friends and SMS for family, some of my friends use line too but I’m not a fan.
Also MMS is fucking cancer
With my first prepaid phone in Germany texts did cost 0.49 € per text. So I did not use them super often. Years later around 2011 that price had decreased to 0.15€ and I was texting friends a lot during uni. Around the same time me and my friends got our first smartphones with contracts for 30-40€ per month that included a small bit of data (below 1Gb). Texts still did cost 0.15€, but the data for a WhatsApp message was in the low kilobytes. So a lot of people switched to WhatsApp
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We’re asking the opposite question outside the states. Why is text messaging so popular in the states, to the point a blue / green checkmark is cause for teenage bullying?
To provide context, WhatsApp and its ilk came along way before RCS was a thing (it existed, but nobody implemented it). They were widely adopted due to their vast improvement over existing text messaging. So the better question is, why did the states cling to text messaging and never adopted 3rd party chat apps?
I’m in the US. For me, I didn’t start using Whatsapp over text messaging because I didn’t have a need to add and learn another app. I only started using Whatsapp when I joined social groups that insisted on it for group messaging. I still prefer messaging via Google messages over Whatsapp.
I didn’t mean to frame the question as a judgemental post towards WhatsApp users. I’m genuinely curious. SMS sucks, and id gladly use WhatsApp if it was popular here. Instead I resort to things like Discord or RCS chats when available.
People who care about you might switch to signal.
I didn’t see it as judgemental, sorry if I came off as defensive. I just wanted to provide a different viewpoint :)
From my own experience as someone living in the UK, probably two reasons, for those countries at least.
- Early adoption of the iPhone in the US vs UK
- Different price structures between US and UK
In the 2000s, most people who liked to message a lot in the UK (generally young people and teens) were on pay-as-you-go ‘top up’ plans where each individual message had a cost. SMS messages cost anything from 1 pence to 5 pence, and I remember on my plan, MMS (picture messages) cost a ridiculous 12 pence each! It was expensive. Most people (and especially younger people) had Android phones, and so as soon as a credible Internet-based messenger became popular, people flocked in droves to jump to it. It was WhatsApp in the UK which won that race, and it remains the de-facto messenger to this day.
Things were different in the US. The iPhone got a huge early foothold in sales, and iMessage became dominant simply by being first to market and gaining critical mass. It was also more common (versus the UK) for people to be on contract plans that had SMS and MMS included as part of the plan cost, so even for people who didn’t have iPhones there was less financial incentive to dump those technologies, and SMS remained prevalent.
adding another question to it, how do people using sms manage to message people while still getting all those pesky sms ads/spams? i don’t use an iphone so i am wondering how iMessage handles it.
I don’t understand the question. why would receiving spam interfere with messaging people?
That’s the right question.
Sms is actually outdated and apple is stubborn in it Usa should had migrated to a privacy friendly alternative like signal or MatrixThe average Joe uses apple and thus their per-installed apps, Joe has a wrong idea about privacy friendly or secure protocols that apps like signal or matrix have. In a near future, Joe will communicate his friends between different meta apps using the signal protocol and still will consider signal a bad choice just because its marketing is weak compared to meta in the app store. The funny thing is that I’ve back to use whatsapp because most of my fellow US citizens use meta instead of signal or matrix or the fediverse ¯(°_o)/¯
The average Joe uses apple and thus their per-installed apps
Well not so much huge parts of the world where iMessage isn’t used
Because it’s the default messaging app and everyone has it
To reply to your edit:
OP is asking why the rest of the world adopted whatsapp, but not the US. Your reply doesn’t really go into any differences between the states and the rest of the world. Everything you’ve said could as easily apply anywhere worldwide.
That’s obviously true worldwide, but nobody uses the default messaging apps outside the states. So I’m not sure what your comment is meant to illustrate.
Because in other countries everyone uses WhatsApp, it’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. As for why the US kept using text messages while everyone else moved to WhatsApp, that’s because texting in the US became very cheap while it was still very expensive in other countries.
I would like to say because we are smart enough not to use any programs or apps made by the Facebook company, who is notorious for spying on people in every way possible, but that is not the case for a lot of NA residents. It is the reason that I’ve never used it though. Also because Signal Messenger exists and is better in every way than Whatsapp.
No, we’re not. That’s an insane notion.
If anything it’s the other way around.
It’s not an insane notion if you actually read the whole sentence, and understand what it means. “but that is not the case for a lot of NA residents” is important to the meaning of that sentence.
When WhatsApp got popular in Europe it wasn’t owned by Facebook yet, they only acquired it after it was already the ‘default’ messaging app.
AFAIK: First one to be available on mobile and was independent too. Yes there was a time when WhatsApp was not infested by what we know as meta now. Also people are LAZY DUCKS and don’t want to put in the most minimal of efforts to switch to different platforms.
While I agree that laziness could contribute, you can’t just decide to swap, everyone would have to swop. Especially when Whatsapp is so common in the workplace now.
I’d assume because share of android phones is much larger in the EU and they don’t come with dedicated messenger app like the iPhone.
The difference is only about 10%, so market share likely isn’t the cause.
The US phone market is around 60% iPhones compared to 35% in the EU.
Depends on your source, because the numbers I found were 35/25.
It’s because back when smartphones and Whatsapp were new, unlimited text messaging plans were either expensive or unavailable in much of Europe (and I would imagine other places as well). From my understanding these kinds of plans were much more common in America.
When your cellphone plan has limited text messages, but sending messages via Whatsapp takes so little data that it might as well be unlimited, the barrier to early adoption becomes very low. So people start using Whatsapp, and get their friends to use Whatsapp. And once that ball is rolling it becomes very hard to stop.
These days people use Whatsapp because everyone else uses Whatsapp.
It’s the assumed default.
Edit: Heck… even to this day I have limited text messages.
My current cellphone plan is for 12 GB, Unlimited calls, and 500 texts.And I’ve not sent a single text message in months, if not years.
IMO: iPhones are the minority in the world apart from North America.
Whatsapp became the main “secure” chat service on Android, but iOS always had its own iMessage feature so WhatsApp isnt needed if you’re somewhere with basically zero android phones.
While I agree iPhone market share in the US plays a role too, WhatsApp came out in 2009 - two years before iMessage was launched.
Native apps like iMessage tend to crush third party apps like WhatsApp and messenger to a point.
Look at the rise of Internet Explorer and the fall of Netscape on windows. The rise of chrome and safari on Android and Mac respectively
The US of still slight more Android than iPhone as well
Pretty much everyone I know uses it in Canada. I regularly cause problems when I refuse to use it cause Facebook
Where are you in Canada? I’m in New Brunswick and I’ve never met a Canadian who uses WhatsApp (except to keep in touch with friends abroad).
Round these parts, people usually use Messenger or Instagram.
I uninstalled it when FB acquired it.
It’s not necessarily in parts of Asia, either. Most people in Japan use LINE. China obviously has its own domestic apps. I think South Korea generally uses kakaotalk
maybe ask the metric system?
Probably because iOS is extremely dominant in North America, and iMessage is preinstalled on every iPhone. To talk to someone on WhatsApp or any other chat app, installing the app isn’t enough, but you also need the other person to have it. Since in North America’s most popular mobile OS is iOS, people don’t feel the need to install another app.
On Android on the other hand, Google didn’t enable RCS by default until 2023. RCS has existed before iMessage and even before WhatsApp, but it was poorly marketed. I, as a fairly tech savvy person, only heard about RCS in 2022 when headlines about it were flooding my feed.
Google is also partly to blame, since they had so many chat services that were available simultaneously and almost all of them were short-lived. Google Talk, Google+ Hangout, Google Hangout, Google Chat, Google Meet, Google Duo, and Google Allo. Not to mention the other chat apps that flooded the app store, like WhatsApp, Line (which is very dominant in Japan), Facebook messenger, Telegram…
iOS is less than half the phones in the US
Even before WhatsApp I used a similar app called Yak! It didn’t have any limit on how long messages you could send, you could send pictures too and the UI was much more polished compared to the messaging apps on phones. Also not everyone had unlimited text messages but everyone had a data plan that effectively enabled unlimited messages over the internet.
I even had an iPhone back then. Never got into iMessages. Even iPhone users all have whatsapp now.
How do thing like rich media, groups, etc work on sms? All these features are baked into messaging apps over data…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service
Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS) is a standard way to send messages that include multimedia content to and from a mobile phone over a cellular network. Users and providers may refer to such a message as a PXT, a picture message, or a multimedia message. The MMS standard extends the core SMS (Short Message Service) capability, allowing the exchange of text messages greater than 160 characters in length. Unlike text-only SMS, MMS can deliver a variety of media, including up to forty seconds of video, one image, a slideshow of multiple images, or audio.
SMS does support group messaging too, but I don’t know the term for the protocol there.
