Rotating banners on /r/piracy

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 8 months ago

Rotating banners on /r/piracy

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 8 months ago

My random banners don’t stop anyone from opportunities to practice their art. What kind of drugs are you on? Also, you realize you’re in the /c/piracy community, yes? Do you also go and complain about copyright violations?

Electricity spent to provide humans with a comfortable working environment isn’t wasted.

Your comments are anything but “a comfortable working environment”.

Anyway, my point is that your comment “waste” is below trivial. Just like my genAI images. My computer is far more wasteful in a single session of video gaming. Or are you railing against those too?

knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social · 8 months ago

My random banners don’t stop anyone from opportunities to practice their art.

Exactly, you never intended to commission an artist because you think so-called “AI art” is good enough to replace them.

Do you also go and complain about copyright violations?

Of course not, the marginal cost of duplicating an existing digital work is trivial. The cost of producing work is not, which is why freelance artists work on commission.

your comment “waste” is below trivial. Just like my genAI images.

If the images are so trivial then why spend so much effort defending them?

You clearly care about this, just not enough to pay an artist for custom work or even to copy something an artist already created.

My computer is far more wasteful in a single session of video gaming. Or are you railing against those too?

Again, of course not. You’re a person and not a machine designed to replace paid work with a generic plagirism laundromat.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 months ago

Exactly, you never intended to commission an artist because you think so-called “AI art” is good enough to replace them.

You gotta be fucking kidding me…I didn’t commission an artist for an image per day A) because that would be insane and B) I’m poor and C) Because the point is being creative myself!

Of course not, the marginal cost of duplicating an existing digital work is trivial. The cost of producing work is not, which is why freelance artists work on commission.

I assure you, the cost of reproducing downloading a single mp3 greater than the cost to generate a single image.

If the images are so trivial then why spend so much effort defending them?

The…what? Read again The cost of creating such images is below trivial! Therefore the potential waste of such an action is not a concern.

You clearly care about this, just not enough to pay an artist for custom work or even to copy something an artist already created.

Yes, because read above.

Again, of course not. You’re a person and not a machine designed to replace paid work with a generic plagirism laundromat.

And as a person, my making the automation to generate these images gives me fulfilment like a video game. Are we done here?

knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social · 8 months ago

the point is being creative myself!

Then do that instead.

I assure you, the cost of reproducing downloading a single mp3 greater than the cost to generate a single image

The average image generator burns between 10 and 30 watt-hours per image. Downloading 4mb from a server costs about 0.000026 watt-hours. (Sources: https://mcengkuru.medium.com/the-hidden-cost-of-ai-images-how-generating-one-could-power-your-fridge-for-hours-174c95c43db8 https://www.devsustainability.com/p/approaches-to-calculating-network-website-energy-and-carbon )

the potential waste of such an action is not a concern.

Sure seems like it is a concern since the energy usage of datacenters is expected to double in the next year and a half.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/24/24049047/data-center-ai-crypto-bitcoin-mining-electricity-report-iea

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 8 months ago

Then do that instead.

I did? It took me hours to design this automation (not to mention the months developing the AI Horde)

The average image generator burns between 10 and 30 watt-hours per image.

lol. I don’t know where you get your numbers buddy, but it takes me a 2-3 seconds per image on my PC. And my PC is already running because I have to answer to ridiculous arguments on lemmy…

Lol, even your own articles dunk on you

Efficient models, like Stable Diffusion Base, consume around 0.01–0.05 kWh per 1,000 image generations. That’s about 0.000014–0.000071 kWh per image.

Sure seems like it is a concern since the energy usage of datacenters is expected to double in the next year and a half.

So? I don’t use datacenters.

knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social · edit-2 8 months ago

Then do that instead.

I did?

No, you told a computer to do it for you.

If you want to create art, then create art. Don’t pretend that automating a script is an artistic process when it’s barely even engineering.

I don’t know where you get your numbers buddy, but it takes me a 2-3 seconds per image on my PC.

To use your numbers, 2-3 seconds at a very conservative estimate of 400 watts is about 0.25 watt-hours, roughly $0.04 on the average American electricity bill, and about 100,000 times more than the 0.0000026Wh energy cost of a 4mb download.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · edit-2 8 months ago

No, you told a computer to do it for you.

And the process of setting that up is creative?

If you want to create art, then create art. Don’t pretend that automating a script is an artistic process when it’s barely even engineering.

Hate to break it to you, but programming is creative plus I don’t like making visual art manually.

To use your numbers, 2-3 seconds at a conservative estimate of 800 watts is about half a watt-hour, roughly $0.08 on the average American electricity bill, and about 200,000 times more than the 0.0000026Wh energy cost of a 4mb download.

“A conservative estmate of 800 watts”? Where the fuck are you getting these number mate? My GPU at full power is not even half that.

knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social · 8 months ago

Hate to break it to you, but programming is creative

I do automation for a living, I’m well aware that computer engineering can be a creative process, but it is not an artistic one.

I don’t like making visual art manually.

I don’t like seeing visual art automated.

Where the fuck are you getting these number mate?

I don’t know what’s in your computer, but some high-end graphics cards can pull more than 300W at full load all on their own. 400W total power output seems a pretty conservative estimate to me.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 months ago

I do automation for a living, I’m well aware that computer engineering can be a creative process, but it is not an artistic one.

Great? I find the automation creative.

I don’t like seeing visual art automated.

I don’t care?

I don’t know what’s in your computer, but some high-end graphics cards can pull more than 300W at full load all on their own. 400W total power output seems a pretty conservative estimate to me.

Most high-end graphic cards actually use close to 100W when not in demanding workloads. Mine certainly does.

400W total power output seems a pretty conservative estimate to me.

You said double that. Most people’s PCs idle at 200-W300W as a total. And even if 400W was the total PC usage, as I said, my PC is already on.

Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · edit-2 8 months ago

I can understand the concern with the ethics of AI art and plagiarism, but you’re painting with a broad brush when you say that computer engineering can’t be art.

Without considering AI, you can certainly make art through code. Math can be beautiful. Shaders in particular are a ripe avenue for programmatically generating art.

There are a lot of artists out there creating art through code, and there have been for significantly longer than the AI fad has been around. The act of creating the art is simply in writing the code, rather than in picking up a paintbrush. I doubt you accuse people who paint in Photoshop of “letting the computer paint for them”, even if they use filters or something like the bucket fill tool. That’s code creating art right there. But someone still had to input creativity, and writing code to create art that looks good requires creativity and effort and is absolutely art.

AI art has different problems with it, but “programming isn’t art” isn’t one of those reasons.

Bilb!@lem.monster · edit-2 8 months ago

Exactly, you never intended to commission an artist because you think so-called “AI art” is good enough to replace them.

Weird argument to make on a piracy sub, honestly. The existence of an AI generated image does not imply that a somewhere an artist lost a commission. Nobody was replaced. It’s not a choice between AI art and commissioned art, it’s a choice between AI generated images and nothing at all because that was the point of his project.

Whether we find it tasteful or interesting is another topic.

knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social · 8 months ago

It’s not a choice between AI art and commissioned art, it’s a choice between AI generated images and nothing at all because that was the point of his project.

That’s a false dichotomy. If there’s no budget to commission new art then ideally the space should have been used to promote artists via their existing work.

Bilb!@lem.monster · edit-2 8 months ago

“Instead of working on that project that you were enjoying working on in your spare time, why not do this completely different other thing?”

That’s not reasonable.