What an insane reversal of historical reality: Both Obama and Biden ran on promising progressive economic reform and won. They dissappointed when it came time to deliver but they still won.
Clinton and Harris explicitly didn’t promise anything other than being “not Trump” and ate colossal shit on live TV.
So where are you getting this idea that progressive economic reform is not electable? Is it because it fails in democratic primaries? Is it because the party itself tries to stifle it?
I’ll just point out that the Democratic Party controls the state caucuses. Bernie did better in the cuacus states than he did in the ones with with an election. Yeah, the Dems were trying to stop him so much.
When the fuck did I mention Bernie? You’re not understanding the point I’m making. I’m not saying “AOC 2028, Medicare 4 All”. I’m saying promise them the fucking pony if you want to save democracy. Go ahead and run Gavin Newsom! But he better be promising something like student debt relief or raising the minimum wage if he wants to win. He doesn’t even have to do it!
But no we’ll never do the obvious tried and true tactic because even the implication that Bernie might have been even partially right is disloyalty to the party.
But for love of all that is holy please stop think “just not Trump” is an electable candidate. It may be for democratic party loyalists but not for the general electorate.
When the fuck did I mention Bernie? You’re not understanding the point I’m making. I’m not saying “AOC 2028, Medicare 4 All”. I’m saying promise them the fucking pony if you want to save democracy. Go ahead and run Gavin Newsom! But he better be promising something like student debt relief or raising the minimum wage if he wants to win. He doesn’t even have to do it!
But no we’ll never do the obvious tried and true tactic because even the implication that Bernie might have been even partially right is disloyalty to the party.
But for love of all that is holy please stop think “just not Trump” is an electable candidate. It may be for democratic party loyalists but not for the general electorate.
I hear what you’re saying. The problem is that there are plenty of voters who hate the pony!
When the Dems put Harris in, it was a concession to the progressives. They got a Black woman from a state with a long Left tradition. And she lost votes from ‘doddering’ Joe Biden.
The Dems problem is that many voters live in Red states where they hear Fox News 24/7. With the electoral College the way it is, the GOP can lose all the biggest states and still win everything.
Obama had a super majority in both Houses and the ACA barely squeaked through.
We’ve got Dems who are afraid to talk about the New Deal because the electorate has been poisoned against the Red Menace.
Why do you think the GOP keeps pushing anti-trans laws? Because they know that’s an issue that hits people where they pray.
I am not in love with Pelosi or 99% of the DNC leadership. I wish there were an alternative, but unless you can show me anything else, I’m going to stick with the people who have their names on ballots in 50 states.
off topic.
If you enjoy novels of political chicanery I suggest reading Ross Thomas.
The problem is that there are plenty of voters who hate the pony!
Yeah those are the centrist republicans who voted Trump anyways. Again, empirically proven failure.
When the Dems put Harris in, it was a concession to the progressives. They got a Black woman from a state with a long Left tradition.
Honestly wtf are you thinking here? She wasn’t left wing at all and being black or californian doesn’t magically make her progressive. You’re literally citing a fake sterotype as a subsititue for real policy.
Obama had a super majority in both Houses and the ACA barely squeaked through.
HE GOT THAT SUPERMAJORITY BY RUNNING ON HEALTH CARE REFORM!
We got a supermajority by promising the pony! “Hope and Change”. Sell the fucking pony again. Promise a different pony when you fail to deliver! Jesus Christ you just insist on keeping your head in the sand. You’re just insistent on laying down and dying.
What an insane reversal of historical reality: Both Obama and Biden ran on promising progressive economic reform and won. They dissappointed when it came time to deliver but they still won.
Clinton and Harris explicitly didn’t promise anything other than being “not Trump” and ate colossal shit on live TV.
So where are you getting this idea that progressive economic reform is not electable? Is it because it fails in democratic primaries? Is it because the party itself tries to stifle it?
I’ll just point out that the Democratic Party controls the state caucuses. Bernie did better in the cuacus states than he did in the ones with with an election. Yeah, the Dems were trying to stop him so much.
When the fuck did I mention Bernie? You’re not understanding the point I’m making. I’m not saying “AOC 2028, Medicare 4 All”. I’m saying promise them the fucking pony if you want to save democracy. Go ahead and run Gavin Newsom! But he better be promising something like student debt relief or raising the minimum wage if he wants to win. He doesn’t even have to do it!
But no we’ll never do the obvious tried and true tactic because even the implication that Bernie might have been even partially right is disloyalty to the party.
But for love of all that is holy please stop think “just not Trump” is an electable candidate. It may be for democratic party loyalists but not for the general electorate.
When the fuck did I mention Bernie? You’re not understanding the point I’m making. I’m not saying “AOC 2028, Medicare 4 All”. I’m saying promise them the fucking pony if you want to save democracy. Go ahead and run Gavin Newsom! But he better be promising something like student debt relief or raising the minimum wage if he wants to win. He doesn’t even have to do it!
But no we’ll never do the obvious tried and true tactic because even the implication that Bernie might have been even partially right is disloyalty to the party.
But for love of all that is holy please stop think “just not Trump” is an electable candidate. It may be for democratic party loyalists but not for the general electorate.
I hear what you’re saying. The problem is that there are plenty of voters who hate the pony!
When the Dems put Harris in, it was a concession to the progressives. They got a Black woman from a state with a long Left tradition. And she lost votes from ‘doddering’ Joe Biden.
The Dems problem is that many voters live in Red states where they hear Fox News 24/7. With the electoral College the way it is, the GOP can lose all the biggest states and still win everything.
Obama had a super majority in both Houses and the ACA barely squeaked through.
We’ve got Dems who are afraid to talk about the New Deal because the electorate has been poisoned against the Red Menace.
Why do you think the GOP keeps pushing anti-trans laws? Because they know that’s an issue that hits people where they pray.
I am not in love with Pelosi or 99% of the DNC leadership. I wish there were an alternative, but unless you can show me anything else, I’m going to stick with the people who have their names on ballots in 50 states.
off topic.
If you enjoy novels of political chicanery I suggest reading Ross Thomas.
https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-fools-in-town-are-on-our-side-ross-thomas/12259060?ean=9780312315825&next=t
https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-porkchoppers-ross-thomas/qHjLHkzDNRTfTrrX?ean=9781453229842&next=t
Yeah those are the centrist republicans who voted Trump anyways. Again, empirically proven failure.
Honestly wtf are you thinking here? She wasn’t left wing at all and being black or californian doesn’t magically make her progressive. You’re literally citing a fake sterotype as a subsititue for real policy.
HE GOT THAT SUPERMAJORITY BY RUNNING ON HEALTH CARE REFORM!
We got a supermajority by promising the pony! “Hope and Change”. Sell the fucking pony again. Promise a different pony when you fail to deliver! Jesus Christ you just insist on keeping your head in the sand. You’re just insistent on laying down and dying.