For anyone wondering if Threads and Facebook at large will be a fine neighbor in the space and compatible with other apps/services in the fediverse: they’re already automatically hiding comments that mention Pixelfed https://mastodon.social/@dansup/112126250737482807
That’s why I just moved from lemmy.world to an instance that defederated that Meta shit.
Choosing a defederated instance might be a good idea…I just signed up here but I’ll consider it.
I could also just block the threads.net domain, no? Or would my data still get shipped off to Meta? I’m a little fuzzy on how detailed user account level federation works still.
I could also just block the threads.net domain, no?
Nope domain blocking in Lemmy only does anything for communities. Plus blocking on Lemmy isn’t even really blocking, it’s a more extreme mute function that is deceptively called “block”.
Your lemmy data is on the public internet. Whether threads is federated with your instance or not, meta can still get all of your posts/comments.
But realistically they won’t and at least we make it harder for them. Don’t make defederation sound like it’s a lost cause when it isn’t.
A fair point!
The issue is less Facebook getting your data and more Facebook getting invited to the party when they have ruined every other party they were invited to.
We can’t really stop Facebook from peering into the window to the party, but we can slam the door in Facebook’s face when they knock and try to come in, as we should.
It’d be a damn shame if everyone started putting pixelfed at the end of every message to both deny threads content and create a Streisand effect.
This is very, very tempting lol
Pixelfed
Picks “el fed”
I’m Pixelfed Rick
Most pixeled Shit I’ve ever seen
He was hit by Japanizing beam??
Behold unfettered capitalism in all its glory.
“We only stay successful if we hide evidence of alternatives”
TIL about Pixelfed :) I will be signing up.
Is it like Instagram? I don’t get it. I might be too old.
Yes it’s a fediverse platform mainly focused on sharing pictures.
Yay! Love that Streisand effect.
TIL about Barbara Streisand :) I will be listening.
Huh, well look at that. Meta being exactly as bad a corporate citizen as one would expect. This is why defederation is wise. I have no patience for the folks who think we’re somehow not being fair to poor old Meta. Support the fedipact. Push your instance to defederate.
They are not and will never be a positive contributor to the fediverse. It’s another thing to exploit, enshittify, and ruin for them, that’s all.
https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/making-sense-of-the-argument-around-meta/
This is a by-the-book and extremely predictable case of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
I don’t jump right to EEE because more and more folks who weren’t alive (or aware) for the early examples of it don’t seem to believe it’s possible or could happen again. However, I agree with you entirely.
Unfortunately some people do not want to acknowledge that our large businesses are downright evil. For those who doubt this, consider the pharmaceutical companies that raised insulin prices up to hundreds of dollars a month. They did not give a single shit that people would die, so long as they increased profit from their captive audience. If big business doesn’t even care whether you live or die, why would they care about the much smaller stakes involved in the federated ActivityPub space?
I think that EEE would not be as impactfull here - I mean, at this stage, without Meta and already at small numbers, if they went through the EEE cycle we’d probably just be in the same position. Meta people came, and then left, nothing really changes. The people who are here are already decided to avoid Meta and other platforms, and they already have features Fediverse doesn’t.
My issue is that by Federating, Meta is stealing and monetizing our content we post here, to fill their bullshit Threads with content, which its severely lacking. I hate that and don’t want that in the slightest.
Agreed.
For people who wish to know which instances are federated/defederated with Threads check here https://fedipact.veganism.social/
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I’m glad to see my instance is part of the FediPact! Thanks for the link.
You’re welcome!
Pixelfed pixelfed pixelfed
Gottem
lemm.ee is already federated. Didn’t even have to do anything. I think I chose the right instance.
I wonder if this means we can mention any word in their filter and our content will not be scraped by them? Something like a Meta filter signature on every post or comment like follows:
Pixelfed, etc, etc, etc…
No it just hides your comment as spam
Database poisoning spam perhaps?
Just switch to an instance that doesnt federate with them
Use this to pick one
I think my instance isn’t federated but I am under the understanding that the federation can still scrape data through other federated instances that mine is connected with. Something along the lines of ‘their data doesn’t come in but your data is still sent out’.
the federation can still scrape data through other federated instances that mine is connected with
That’s not true. If your instance is defederated from Threads, your content will never be sent to Threads. Other instances will not forward content for you to Threads.
Thank you, that’s good to know. Would you have a source that details these kinds of technical details so I can do a little more learning?
A quick search leads me to https://fedi.tips/ which has a lot of information. It mostly focuses on Mastodon but it generally applies to Lemmy and any other Fediverse app as well.
You probably won’t find any source specifically saying that “content is not forwarded from remote servers to other remote servers” because that’s just not how it works. The documentation will probably focus on what it actually does rather than all of the infinite things that it doesn’t do.
Awesome, thank you!
I tested this and I did not got blocked or anything. https://www.threads.net/@mogoh_viol/post/C4xsvpKMZb8 So I assume, this was just an accident.
I know everybody loves to hate meta, I am am not a fan either, but I find it hard to belive that they outright ban the word pixelfed.
So something changed between then and now. Wish the picture had absolute timestamps instead of the relative ones. I’m on mobile so I’m not about to try to dive into EXIF to find out when that was happening.
Does it matter though if Threads actually did this now? Something like this WILL happen in the future, it is the only kind of behavior large corporations are capable of when they interact with a commons they have the incentive to enclose.
Or maybe the original post was simply muted for a different reason.
I was one of those people that said “let’s see if they will be acceptable neighbors” and well, it seems we have an answer.
If it’s true then I now favor defederation.
I was one of those people that said “let’s see if they will be acceptable neighbors”
Despite how it may sound, I mean this in a non-snarky way. Are you aware of their history as a company?
Yeah I mean who could’ve seen something like this coming?
After so many positive experiences with the charming and wholesome company Meta, now this completely out of the blue…
It’s not just true, there’s a history of this mentioned in the replies to the original masto comment. Pixelfed is a direct competitor/alternative to instagram and meta’s has a pretty clear policy of not giving it any airtime on their platforms.
Why, well they dominate the instagram style platform space (and I’d guess it’s their biggest platform ATM and most prospective going forward). Twitter-style platforms are new for them and introduce monopoly issues … so they toy with the fediverse to allay potential issues.
I think all of the schmoozing the likes of Evan, Gargron etc are doing with meta (they have active accounts on Threads AFAIU, for instance) will reveal their true colours (techbro growth mindset just the hipster way) and leave them with egg on their face.
For sure they saw dollar signs down to road for them when Meta decided to create threads.
how Dare that remote instance moderate the content coming into them. hole shit, lets shut down all instances that do that!
Nobody is saying to shut down any instance, only that we, and others on the platform who think likewise, would like to not have to see those instances. Nobody is saying to shut down Truth Social or Pawoo or Baraag, for instance, despite having severe disagreements with those instances - we just decided, on our instances, not to federated with them. You aren’t obligated to agree with us - you can make your own instance with your own rules, as others have said, or switch to an instance accommodating to your beliefs. But at the same time, it doesn’t mean the rest of us have to listen. Think of defederation like blocking - I’m sure you have some sort of block list for trolls, spammers and bots. Same thing, but for an instance.
If there are any instances or comms that don’t let you mention alternatives, then yes definitely shut them down
so fediverse instances must adhere to some global moderation, or else? sounds an awful lot like a walled garden.
you sound exactly like what you hate
One of the cool things about the fediverse is that you are free to run your own instance with whatever rules you do or don’t want, and tell the rest of us to fuck right off.
Some instances will defederate from you depending on what those rules are, like those specific relatives we all avoid if we can at holidays, and ignore the rest of the year. They are also free to do so.
IOW, folks might tell your instance (or Meta’s) to fuck right off.
That’s what freedom looks like. It’s not supposed to be just your freedom, it’s supposed to be everyone’s freedom.
Edit: And by the way, I’m very surprised if a company scrubbing mentions of competitors from its platform isn’t a solid anti-trust violation.
exactly! each instance can do its own thing. so its very strange to see people shitting on meta for doing exactly that.
federate/defederate i dont care, but this hate-boner everyone gets from the idea of meta on the 'verse is childish.
each instance can do its own thing. so its very strange to see people shitting on meta for doing exactly that.
You mean scrubbing mentions of a competitor from their platform? That’s not OK, and it’s an indicator of their future behavior that is very consistent with their past behavior.
this hate-boner everyone gets from the idea of meta on the 'verse is childish.
You are entitled to your opinion. (And so are the folks you think are being childish.)
Oh damn! If the suckerburg empire is already censoring Pixelfed, wait until they find out about Loops.
Fakebook is not a social media site, it’s a place to stalk and scam people, just like the other suckerburg tracking apps.I followed the link to the mastodon post and saw this edit
“Edit: As mentioned below, it appears to be a bug, not intentional!”
Of course it was. 🙄
I pray to God (or whoever I have to) that the .world admins rethink their federation decision.
Stop praying and just move to an instance that defederates with Threads. It’s really not hard.
Why even federate w/ the LW bot-fest anyway?
for better or worse LW is the largest instance, so joining another instance always poses the ‘risk’ of being defederated.
the federation model definitely has some weaknesses
Why lemmy isn’t really compatible with thread. Is it ?
Lemmy integrates Activitypub and Threads plans to as well, sooner or later.
I know i was talking about how lemmy doesn’t integrates even mastodon as good as kbin or mbin
The Pixelfed team stated (https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/112138024510274956) that users were not able to reproduce the issue, so this is most likely a fake news.
