@asklemmy What do you think it would take for people to drop Twitter & Reddit and move to the Fediverse?
I didn’t even know Lemmy existed until last week (when I specifically searched for a Reddit alternative) even though I heard about Mastodon.
And it might be confusing to decide where you need to register and what’s the difference without reading up how the Fediverse works. Most people don’t care about that.
Also if they are based on the same technology why I can’t use a Mastodon account to login/interact with Lemmy (conveniently)
I guess if we ever have Nomadic identities most of the above could be solved? Except that Lemmy is still almost completely unknown for most of the people.
When they killed Reddit Sync, I was done. As for X or whatever they call it now, hopefully people will see what it’s become, and soon leave?
One can dream haha.
It’s a similar dream I have. People need to jump ship and go towards the Alternatives.
Everybody else doing it.
The network effect is really strong. Once you try getting people to move or try something new you really realise how strong it is.
And how do we get everyone else to do it?
Make it active so that when they look, they see content
I’ll try to do just that then. Stay active and make this place full of content for people to enjoy.
Honestly, most people are followers. If you have a few high profile celebrities publicly announce they are switching over, I’m sure their fan base will do the same. Once the fans go over, then the friends of fans follow and so on.
They also have to abandon their presence on twitter as well.
Yeah, that’s probably the best way that people would move across. Knowing people are moving across to Threads, It could be a good way (once they join the Fediverse) for people to get involved with it and maybe move across to things like Mastodon and Lemmy.
Be careful what you wish for. It’s very good for us that those people stay where they are… Otherwise this place would be Twitter.
A lot of those people would need to go to there own instances that we would be able to block due to policies on most mastodon instances aligning with Trans Rights as well as other LGBT+ people being safe.
Why on Earth would we want to do that?
The last thing in the world the fediverse needs is a bunch of idiots blundering around in it.
As an idiot currently blundering around in it, I don’t think this is something we can gatekeep, nor can we try and do it. It’s just something that will happen
The great thing about the fediverse is that people have control over which instances they are around, and there will always be some more isolated ones if that’s what you prefer
I don’t think we can gatekeep it either.
But we can, or not, encourage it. I’d rather not. I’ve never - not even once in more than 30 years online - seen a forum get notably popular without it also, and obviously as a direct result, going to shit.
The great thing about the fediverse is that people have control over which instances they are around, and there will always be some more isolated ones if that’s what you prefer.
If the masses discover the fediverse and move here, that’s not going to remain the case, guaranteed.
They’ll bitch and moan because content isn’t centralized (we’ve already seen that), and the rent-seeking fuckwads will, one way or another, rearrange things so that it is centralized, and specifically so that they can then squat on top of it and suck profit out of it, and it’ll end up just another facebook/twitter/instagram/reddit.
Count on it.
To have actual content on here. I hate having to switch between the Fediverse and normal Social Media to get updates on the niche things I enjoy.
As your local blundering idiot, I disagree.
User interface.
OK miss/calc/shark key has it but mastodon is pretty rough, and lemmy isn’t that nice. Yes I know for Lemmy Alexandrite is neater than the official app, but it’s already some power user level, same for instances having the photon and old front-end.Yeah, I guess I could see how the UI / UX could be a problem for some people. I’m sure it’s something that they will improve on overtime.
For a Lemmy Alternative, there’s Kbin what’s pretty visually pleasing but can be complex compared to Lemmy to learn.
People who have been paying attention have already moved. Anyone who’s left will need a missile dropped directly on top of their head by Elon Musk or Steve Huffman personally. They will leave when the websites can no longer support themselves and shut down their servers, forcing the users out.
Yeah, tbh with all of what has happened on both of platforms, it’s sad to still see them alive.
Hopefully, people slowly start moving across or they’re some huge outage that happens in the future as it doesn’t seem like many more people are willing to move across (at least from my experience).
Who knows, Threads may help the future of the Fediverse with the amount of users that could see the possibility of it across Mastodon, Lemmy and many other instances.
Why would you want them to? Look up the “September that never ended” and what that effect does to communities.
I would like to see the Fediverse grow overtime, also we haven’t had to deal with a Decentralised network across the internet before, who knows what may happen.
There is a big difference between slow growth over time though (say a few percent of the existing user base every month) and a giant influx of new users (say 10 times the existing user base in a single month). The latter destroys everything the community was about since nobody knows the unwritten rules and new users copy bad behaviour from other new users.
Wouldn’t it help to make the rules written, then enforce them?
Reading rules is different from living them (getting used to them)
we haven’t had to deal with a Decentralised network across the internet before
You say that while using the WWW, a decentralized network of Webservers and Webbrowsers all Access the world.
And you say that while using Domain names, which certainly don’t come from your /etc/Hosts but from a decentralized DNS Network of servers all around the world.
That’s different from a Protocol that anyone can use, boot up a server that has access to the whole Fediverse active posts & user base.
The Fediverse is making it so much easier for people to have users across their own social network platforms, bending the protocols to work with what vision they have, well still allowing others to access it.
More blackjack and hookers
Aww, forget that blackjack and the Hookers too.
I occasionally go back to reddit for niche communities and for looking up some user generated information/answers. I think the niche community might not easily be solved until more people move to lemmy, but as for the information lookup, if we can port the more useful stuff from reddit I don’t think I’d have much of a reason to go back to reddit (seriously, so much of the newer info in some subs are factually wrong but no one seems to care and it just seems to get worse the longer time progresses). The main issue is how to figure out what is the useful stuff. Idk about Twitter, haven’t used them in years.
The trick is to not make people notice, because the vast majority doesn’t care about how the fediverse works.
I’d say Threads is doing a pretty good job so far.
Yeah, they seem to be doing a good job and who knows if they join the Fediverse other sites might look at doing the same.
More active niche communities and better search for old posts
I would love for more activity for niche communities
More content. More diverse content. And more diverse users.
There really isn’t a lot of posts. A significant portion of posts are from bots. Similarly, there aren’t many comments.
It feels like most content is doomer news, politics, Linux, Star Trek, programming, or gaming related. And that’s my jam. But it gets old after a while.
And of course it would help to have more diverse users. I know we aren’t all the same, but Lemmy has a lot of software developers and left leaning folks with post secondary degrees.
Yeah, I get what you mean. It would be good to get more niche communities involved. It’s good to see like-minded people, but it’s always good for someone to have another opinion that can back up their views with facts.
Someone should make a comprehensive, easy to follow guide to Lemmy with the latest info and apps, and share it to Reddit including their r/lemmy. Same with Mastodon.
I’ve sworn off of Reddit unfortunately so I’m not going to post, but maybe if I make something I can ask someone to share it there for me?
Having a guide to the Fediverse (at least Mastodon & Lemmy) could bring the people who are looking for alternatives to possibly see it and read about how you can easily join, which is a really good idea.
It’d be cool if CGPGrey remade his “What is Reddit” video, but exchanged it for: “What is Lemmy”
He unlisted that video, so I don’t think he has that popular of an opinion of Reddit these days.
Celebrities like him joining would be a big help.
Yeah people like that would help greatly even if it’s just for the Reddit like experience they used to get where users can just post to you as a creator
Banning all NSFW
Banning piracy discussion
The question asked about people, not advertisers.
I know people that use Reddit & Twitter purely for their NSFW content, So I don’t think taking away Fediverse NSFW content would work for those types of people.
The Fediverse if a complicated concept, that looses a lot of the appeal that Twitter/Reddit has, we need more coordination between instances, and less of a scattershot approach to communities. This obviously goes against the goals of the Fediverse where you want several similar communities on different instances to make the system far more robust.
Then we need a killer community, a community that people has to have, that only really work on Lemmy, and not on Reddit.
Mastodon mostly just needs more users, especially celeberties, then users would come.
I read something about ActivityPub 2.0 being pushed for more feedback from the developers of Instances talking, so hopefully that brings more talk and direction between instances.
Lemmy would be amazing if it had some unique communities that people have been looking for, for years on Reddit. It could be a way to get Lemmy to grow.
I know there is crossover between places like Mastodon and Lemmy as at the moment I’m using Mastodon to talk to everyone on Lemmy but certainly could be improved.
Lemmy overall feels like old reddit when it was still run and filled by people who cared. Names are familiar, everyone rather(in some places) chill, and the server is on fire half the time. I forgotten what it was like to start to know people online. Reddit is too big to ever learn a name again unless its a “human” on the front page again. It’s kinda nostalgic.
Yeah it would just be nice to have some more niche communities being run. Maybe I should help start those niche communities or something but I’m not really using Lemmy anymore but still love browsing the content
I don’t think it’s going to happen over any single event. I think Federated platforms will remain small scale but very active, and that’s all they have to do as mainstream social medias spring up, monetize, and collapse, over and over and over again.
Then one day in the future, the latest generation of cool kids will just realize that it’s way cooler to be on the Federated platforms than it is to be on the mainstream sites.
I wouldn’t say it would take more than 20 years. People are already annoyed with how much social media they have to move between, as well as the data collecting and adverts they get.
It’s that or if some of these bigger creators, stars or business’ move across to the Fediverse as their way of communication, then that would increase the user base.
