Never found a motive? Are you joking? We’ve got tons of info on the psycho who did it. He was a distraught aging white male with a history of depression, gambling, and firearms who wanted to hurt the world and kill himself.
Sad losers are a dime a dozen but at least most of them aren’t as stupid as that guy. There is no reason to discuss this outside of proposed changes to our society as a whole to better prevent these stains on history.
Racist.
It is unfortunately relevant information on the topic of demographic shifts and marginalized groups. What the shooter did was not typical by any means, but who he was is extremely typical for what he did, sadly.
Explain how.
There’s no need to mention their race right? Unless it was a racially motivated attack, which I don’t remember coming up.
In an alternate universe…
He was a distraught aging black male with a history of depression, gambling, and firearms who wanted to hurt the world and kill himself.
It’s the inclusion of ‘aging white male’ listed with the other negatives, so it could be viewed as ageist, sexist, and racist.
White men are the most dangerous segment of the population, which is clearly shown by violent crime statistics. There is a reason that rural census tracts (which are overwhelmingly white) are the most dangerous places to live.
I believe you may be misinformed.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf
Based on data compiled by the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program, it found that while Black people make up 13% of the U.S. population, they were 33% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crime (NVC), which includes rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and other assaults. Black people were 36% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes (SNVC), including rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
Similarly, Hispanics make up 18% of the US population and were 21% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes. Whites, who are 60% of the population, were 46% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crimes, and 39% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes.
The designation “Black” and “white” often did not include those who are Hispanic. In 9% of single-offender incidents and 12% of multiple-offender incidents, the victim was unable to tell whether the offender was Hispanic.
The study compared the UCR statistics with those from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). Whereas the UCR relies on reports of criminal arrests submitted by law enforcement officials to the FBI, the 2018 NCVS was based on interviews from 151,055 U.S. households. Thus, the NCVS identifies crimes that are not reported to law enforcement. In the 2018 NCVS, Blacks accounted for 29% of violent crime perpetrators in 35% of the violent crimes reported to police. By comparison., the UCR statistics showed Blacks were 33% of all people arrested for violent crimes.
In the NCVS, whites accounted for 52% of violent crime perpetrators and 48% in those reported to police. The UCR showed whites accounting for 46% of the people arrested for NVC.
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Arrests and convictions are not a valid proxy for violent acts or crimes committed. If you knew absolutely anything about this area of study you’d be aware of that. Have fun with your willful ignorance.
So the victims say the perpetrator is a white man; police arrest black male. I’ll wait for you to link to the 4 times that’s happened as if it’s a checkmate.
I’m sure you have the added statistics for convictions and they fully support what you’re saying. Pray tell, because your urban vs. rural assumptions on violence is clearly not supported by the evidence.
Convictions show the same? Curious about your reasoning for that, that doesn’t sound wildly racist.
If we’re not going off of facts (statics of arrests and convictions) then what are we going off of? Feelings? I’m more than willing to have my mind changed if you can provide an argument that rural white men are the most dangerous group, as long as it’s based on more than feelings and hearsay. A black man in urban attire walking into a sunset town of 100 people has the same result as a white man in a suit walking down a dangerous inner-city street. Same cause of effect: human nature.
At the risk of sounding racist, I think it’s quite obvious that when you buy a foreign people from their homeland as a commodity (sold largely in part by warlords and warring tribes of the same race, by the way), treat them as chattle (literally) and forbid any written or oral history of their culture or familial past, while raping the women and killing the babies or selling them off, creating extreme intergenerational trauma, hatred, and injustice, and then continue treating them like shit even after the law says you can no longer treat them as less than human…
You may have a societal problem on your hands that doesn’t resolve itself in a measly few generations. A societal problem that results in higher rates of violence.
We need better support in this country in so many aspects. For women and men of all races and creeds. But until we break away from being an overly materialistic consumerist society, that won’t change. What we don’t need is a distortion of reality to fit a false narrative.
Crime victimization survey is, and can be used in conjunction with crime justice system statistics.
That is not what I said, nor is it true. While males are 97.7% of the NIJ’s Index of Mass Shooters, only about 50% were white which is lower than their proportion of the total population. However, depression amongst that demographic is higher and growing, and mental illnesses correlate highly with those who harm others and themselves, so I’m just saying the Vegas Shooter ticked every box on the proverbial check list.
~30% of the US population are white men but according to that link 52% of mass shootings are perpetrated by white men. That is a ~22% increase over what you would expect if the US didn’t raise its white conservative men to be violent and hateful and specifically teach them they are the only types of people who are allowed to be violent or threaten the possibility of violence in public spaces.
How is this not evidence that white men are the most dangerous people in the US? Not in terms of being likely to commit a crime of desperation but rather to be an utter loser and decide to shoot a bunch of random people out of pure hate? White men might not be the most likely to hurt you in the US, but they are BY FAR the most likely to hurt you for no reason other than you who happen to be and what you happen to represent to them.
Statistics are hard to understand huh?
71% of the USA is white. You’re just being a disingenuous piece of shit, fuck off mate.
? The fuck? The statistics don’t show anything like that and it’s not polite to discuss what they really show.
Ahh yes no need to discuss why people become who they are or to change society for the better
If you had read my comment then you would know that was exactly what I would rather we discussed.
I mean you can discuss it to death, but without facts – which don’t exist, because he didn’t tell anyone the intimate workings of his fucked up mind – the best you can do is speculate. By all means, go ahead.
I don’t mean to sweep this under the rug, but I think that just stands as another case for the fact that an enormous amount of people in this country have mental health issues. It’s normalized at this point.
Besides that, news outlets that report on this only do so basically of the drama and the views. The solutions are in front of us, always have been, but that’s not what anyone truly cares about.
I think framing it as a ‘mental health’ issue puts all the blame on the individual.
It’s not a ‘mental health’ epidemic. Society is broken and more people are realizing it every day.
These problems will only get worse as the disparity in wealth continues to grow and more people feel like they have nothing to live for as a result.
Oh absolutely. You’re right, framing it that way does seem to ignore the current issues we face as a society.
I believe that our mental health as a society is problematic, but it’s not the individual’s fault due to neglect. There are root causes in the background that are responsible. People don’t need therapy, but rather living conditions need to improve.
Depressed white male dressed as a policeman: So, why did you do it?
Mass shooter: because I’m a depressed white male
But but but why did he spray bullets at a crowd with intent to murder hundreds? Why, man, why? We need his manifesto, his tax records, the political affiliations of his associates and family! How else am I supposed to fit him into my narrative if I can’t prove why he thought to do the unthinkable?
/s
It’s because something like 2 mass shooting occur EACH DAY in the US. It’s impossible to keep track and that’s why this has faded away.
Well I can’t speak for anyone else, but me personally I never talk about it because I don’t talk about mass shootings in general.
But occasionally I do think about that one. And Sandy Hook. And Aurora. And Uvalde. And Columbine.
And Santa Fe. And Virginia Tech. And El Paso. And Parkland. And UT Austin.
Realizing Columbine losing all sorts of national attention, then seeing schools teach kids how to survive a school shooting, and parents buying kids bulletproof bookbags was when I realized we really don’t give a shit about mass shootings, we just work around them.
Pretty much this. I lived through the Columbine days as a middle school student. I remember being confused, even more now looking back, that nobody really made time to talk about “how do we stop this from happening in the first place”, people just seemed to assume that it could happen and we should all be OK with that.
nobody ever talks about enron anymore. The CEO only got like 5 years for that. Nobody talks about nortel anymore, the CEO got no time for that, and a shit ton of money, all the employees had no pension.
Etc, etc, etc…
This, like any event, comes down to what the family does to keep a case going. There’s many cold cases that are now getting solved by family members rather than police.
There is no agency out there that will keep interest in an issue.
once the media is done with it(they have a super short attention span) and the police will spend all of a few weeks on most things it is the family that keep the interest going. They will pay out of pocket to get attention for it.
There’s even cases where family members that have investigated into commercial air craft incidents because they lost loved ones and helped solve cases on that.
Believe it or not there are people calling the police every day just to keep their attention on a missing person or murder, asking for new leads. These are family members.
Police will not do this on their own.
Worse: the police DO NOT SOLVE CRIME. Think of all the hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. Think of all the stories about someone being murdered because the police decided that it was a “civil” matter.
Nothing new in the case. People have moved on to other things.
I still find that a strange case.
I figured it got swept into the lone gunman category after all the details about Saudi arms deals and help smuggling the guns in got out. It’s kinda like the Epstein case.
I never head that, do you have a source?
Nothing current sorry. I followed the information drip during the event. Some could have been false information or speculation back then of course. It still seemed to be quite a lot of coincidences. I might check later if I’ll find any retrospective with those topics.
Something I didn’t know before now is his dad was a WW2 Navy vet who worked in a corrections department assigned to helping ‘wayword youths’ and eventually got arrested for con games and bank robbery, after being on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list. He looks like you’d expect. Both he and his brother were found to have child pornography on their computers. His house had been broken into during the week leading up to the shooting, I wonder if his brother knew of his plans and tried to remove cp he gave him, as one of the laptops in the hotel room with him in Las Vegas was missing a hard drive.
Both he and his brother were found to have child pornography on their computers.
Can’t the feds just throw some shit on your computer and pin you for it?
Even if they could, I don’t know why you would jump to that idea when the guy fucking shot 800 people. He clearly wasn’t right in the head. He also had a history of heavy gambling and drinking. I don’t smell conspiracy on this one. This was just a mentally unwell guy who made a decision to murder; it is, unfortunately, a quintessentially American story that keeps repeating.
No. Not because it’s impossible. But, mainly because it’s only after it goes past court that you’re actually ‘pinned’. So you’re going to have to be certain that will happen, otherwise the political fall out isn’t worth it.
Also let me remind you that the guy shot at a crowd so he was already applying for ending his life in prison. There is no need to turn it into some wicked conspiracy where the feds needed to pin him…
Good points!
In the context of a conspiracy theory, while the csam doesn’t necessarily increase the jail sentence, it could be used as a tool to discredit the shooter, and more importantly, as a tool to silence the brother (where a more conventional disappearing or suiciding might raise suspicions).
“‘The government made him do it’ says local pedophile beaten to death in prison”
Eminem wrote a song about it so that’s not nothing
Yep. Hard to listen to as it uses audio from the shooting so you’re hearing real people panic.
Which one?
they decided not to talk so much about perpetrators after the serial killer craze of the 1970s
Without any right wing or left wing boogie man traits to point at, the news cycle just moved on to the next shooting that occurred the following day.
They never found a solid motive, so unless there’s some political points to score then the US media doesn’t care.
I’d say being a homicidal maniac with 23 guns is a right wing trait in America.
Owning one or more guns doesn’t magically make you right wing. Nor does homicidal.
I feel like most horror movies are preying on deep psychological fears of things that don’t or won’t happen, or happen only in the furthest reaches of the psyche.
The concept of just leaving your house to get some turnips and getting shot in the face is like a daily thing for every American, so I’m not sure that makes for good psychological horror.
Same with car accidents. More likely to die in one on the way to the airport, but plane crashes are more terrifying
Hey this is vanishingly unlikely. We don’t eat many turnips in the US.
What if we substitute turnips for…(dun dun duuuuuun!) French Fries!
If American can be numb to mass killings of elementary school children, Vegas never stood a chance of remaining in the public discourse.
This is the right answer.
It hurts to read but. It’s the answer for sure.
When the discourse goes in circles and gets nowhere, it becomes a perceived waste to continue it. The people who profit from gun sales – including the politicians who reap campaign contributions from exploiting misconceptions about it – like it this way.
Why is the motive important? Is there a good reason?
Lots of mass shootings have been driven by certain extremist ideologies that advocate for violence or invent justifications for violence through fictional narratives. So people are naturally curious if these are connected to those ideologies. If so, perhaps they could be reduced by dismantling these toxic ideologies.
If someone walks into your house and shoots your family, would you want to know why? Would it be important to you to understand their motives?
Ever notice it’s terrorism, they hate us, people are saying suspect was maybe possibly trans, but when it’s a white man fucking nothing.
Brother what are you talking about. Every white mass shooter in America is an alt right Nazi incel who wants to personally assassinate every lgbtq person on the planet.
Entirely depends on what dogshit news source(s) wants to score political points.
There are so many shootings nowadays.
Nowadays? It’s a multigenerational constant of American living. It’s as important to American culture as Apple pie, obesity, and predatory healthcare.
It was all over the news and years ago. Should we continue talking about it?
