• s_s@lemm.eeEnglish
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    8 days ago

    Yes, but Americans hating their government is exactly what got us here.

    Doubling down on that sentiment is only going to make things worse.

    You understand that, right?

  • chunes@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Dear wherever you’re from: there’s a 99% chance you live in a token democracy and you’re in denial about it.

  • blinx615@lemmy.ml
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    8 days ago

    So… I should just lay down and take it? I’m not sure what point is being made.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      8 days ago

      Further evidence that “tankie” just means “anyone to the left of the Democratic party”

    • all4theTomatoes@lemm.eeEnglish
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      8 days ago

      Acknowledging that the majority of politicians in the US is “bothsideism” is so fucking stupid. Don’t get it fucked up, it’s the poor vs the rich. And if it isn’t obvious, they want more money. More power.

      If you actively stand there and say “yea shut up, bothsideist” (whatever the fuck that means) then you are contributing exactly nothing to the conversation.

      This system is supposed to be for the people, right? For all the people? Not for the select few that gamed the system? So if it’s between a totalitarian state that silences dissent in order to keep workers rights or one that lets our politicians be corrupted and look the other way when rich people test the waters and try and take more and more with time, I’d prefer the first option.

    • m532@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 days ago

      Fascism is capitalism in decay and imperialists are scared of their empire decaying

      • Samsuma@lemmy.ml
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        9 days ago

        I always find it amusing yet chilling when libs try to distinguish themselves from fascism by labeling it on pretty much everyone other than their own (e.g. AfD, Republicans, center-right, “”“”“far-left”“”“”“”), almost as if they refuse to acknowledge that they’re in the fasch club too, scratched or otherwise.

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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            9 days ago

            From Wikipedia:

            Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to Marxism, democracy, anarchism, pluralism, free markets, egalitarianism, communism, liberalism, and socialism, fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum.

            Democrats are right-wing, but not far-right. Democrats are not authoritarian or ultranationalist, Democrats are not characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, or belief in a natural social hierarchy. Democrats are not opposed to democracy, egalitarianism, or liberalism.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              8 days ago

              Democrats are most definitely authoritarian and Ultranationalist. They are also hugely militarist and autocratic, as well as holding a strong belief in hierarchy. They’re also opposed to democracy and egalitarianism.

              • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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                8 days ago

                “Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.”

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

                Democrats do not reject political plurality.

                Democrats do not reduce democracy (rather they increase it by defending voting rights).

                Democrats protect the separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.

                Democrats do not fit the definition of nationalism, let alone ultranationalism.

                They do not hold strong beliefs in hierarchy, oppose democracy, or oppose egalitarianism. That’s just an outright lie.

                • m532@lemmygrad.ml
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                  8 days ago

                  Authoritarianism is when the government does stuff. The opposite would be libertarianism where corporations rule and company towns come back and villages get taken over by bears

            • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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              8 days ago

              Democrats are not authoritarian or ultranationalist, Democrats are not characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, or belief in a natural social hierarchy

              guys, do i tell him?

      • phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
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        9 days ago

        Thus helping a facist wins. Great move.

        So long as we are an FPTP system with the current 2 options it’s just shooting the non-fascist option in the foot for no reason. Gotta keep non-fascist around so you can actually have a chance at fixing things without getting gulaged.

      • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        The system as it stands does not support third parties and Democrats are the only hope we have of changing that system without massive bloodshed and suffering.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
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        9 days ago

        I love how 3% third parties with no chance of upending either party are super effective at killing specifically non-conservative campaigns AND helping checkers-players feel smug faster. Take a bow for being part of today’s problem.

        • meowMix2525@lemm.ee
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          9 days ago

          Hows it feel to simp for a party that can’t get a 3% advantage on donald fucking Trump? If that was our only option and we are effectively voting at gunpoint then there never was any “democracy” to protect.

          I love how democrats with no interest in catering to their base of voters are super effective at preventing third party and progress candidates from even getting on the ballot or in front of voters, so you can sit there keep saying they have no chance of winning. I love how liberals will excuse voting for the genocidal maniacs you’re convinced are your only option because you’re comfortable enough under this system that you’re willing to work within it and turn your cheek to all of the violence it commits at home and abroad.

          You only care when the genocide comes to your front door, what about your fucking neighbors who are getting evicted and thrown out of their homes because their housing is too valuable to somebody else’s monetary interests to just let them live there in peace? What about the homeless, the working poor, the food insecure, the largest prison population on the planet who coincidentally are legal to use as slave labor? Are they not worth fighting for as long as you aren’t the one on the streets or in prison? In 20 years, are you going to get a “progressive” in office that will offer platitudes about actually treating them like human beings as they do next to nothing about it? Capitalism requires us to live under the threat of homelessness, of imprisonment, of starvation. Our government is completely captured by capitalists who will not allow you to vote this away, because without this level of coercion their system will collapse. All they have to do is make you believe you are not being coerced, and if anyone is then they deserve it actually, and that is precisely the role played by our two parties.

          A better world is possible, but it sure as hell isn’t going to come about through any “solution” sold to us by those who collect vast power and profit within the world as it is. THAT is today’s problem, the refusal to recognize where power lies and what interests it has. Not the third party voters who already see the system for what it is and always has been. Not the one who struggling to bring an end to this system that is designed such that its only material interest is in finding new ways to remove our rights and boosting candidates who will carry this out.

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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            9 days ago

            Hows it feel to simp for a party that can’t get a 3% advantage on donald fucking Trump?

            Feels better than simping for a party that can’t get 3% of the votes in the first place

        • Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
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          9 days ago

          Can you name a single non-conservative campaign killed by third parties? You can’t, because it has never happened.

  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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    9 days ago

    Republicans are disappearing people into foreign countries with absolutely no due process or recourse to return them. Print out this meme on a sheet of 8x11 paper, roll it into a tight tube, and shove it straight up your asshole

  • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Imagine being unable to tell the difference between Biden and Trump.

    Wow. Just a colossal global scale wow. You chose this week to BoTh sIdEs it all!

    You have not just buried your head in the sand, you have then stirred vast amounts of cement powder into the sand and then watered your mortar mix and waited for it to set.

    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      8 days ago

      We currently have two parties in the US:

      1. The Nazi party.

      2. The Nazi collaborator party.

      One is objectively better than the other, but that ain’t saying much.

    • urandom@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      8 days ago

      As an outside viewer, the Democrats seem like the obvious better choice. The also obviously don’t care about you that much. From what I can tell, while their actions are not outright destructive towards you, they at least seem only superficially helpful.

      And sure, that’s much better. I don’t think they care about you.

      • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        And back in real life rather than your imagination, we’ve got the actual rapist versus the guy who once smelled someone’s hair. Yeah definitely both the same. /s

        Yeah, America is a capitalist hellhole, but the false equivalence you folks are pushing is absolutely astonishing.

      • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social
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        8 days ago

        Interesting analogy I have found. There is a plethora of psychology and sociology studies that show that children in abusive relationships end up hating the parent that refuses to stand up to the abusive parent more than the parent doing the abusing. Even if the child wouldn’t phrase it this way, there is an acceptance that abusive alcoholics exist. It is the supposedly good and sober parent letting it happen and enabling it that generates the greatest anger and hatred in the child.

    • Someone64@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      Oh yes this is exactly what OP is saying. I’m sure Biden along with all the other Democrat politicians care IMMENSELY about everyone and are pure, benevolent beings. OP is 100% wrong. Democrat politicians treat every US citizen as if they are their own child. As long as the Republicans continue to do awful shit I will 100% believe this is how the world runs!

  • sfu@lemm.eeEnglish
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    8 days ago

    We need to all vote libertarian, just to see what its like. As it is, we keep going back and forth with half the country hating the gov and each other. I think I speak for many on both sides when I say, we are tired of the red and blue.

  • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    9 days ago

    “I want the USA to suffer and die”

    Ftfy. Only one party is actively funded by our enemies and is enacting favorable policies to them.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      9 days ago

      The democrats were committing genocide. GTFO with the “funding our enemies” Ultranationalism.

      You are right about one thing though, I do want the USA to suffer and die, given both sides are fully committed to nationalism and genocide.

      • rational_lib@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        This was in Canada and we asked people, how much would you pay to clean one lake from acid rain pollution? And we asked other people, how much would you pay to clean up all lakes in Ontario from acid rain pollution? And people gave roughly the same number.

        Point is, the vast majority of people are black and white thinkers. You’re either cleaning pollution, or you’re not. 100% of the party supports cutting off aid to Israel, or they’re all literally committing genocide. You are merely one of the vast majority.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          9 days ago

          What are you talking about? What do lakes in Canada have to do with the fact that the Democratic Party is fully institutionally committed to fully supporting Israel and its extermination campaign?

            • kreskin@lemmy.world
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              8 days ago

              Democrats have several members who have called for ending aid to Israel.

              Like 3 right. so 99% the same. So we’re back to telling people to be ok with just slightly less evil. Whcih was tried in the last election and failed spectacularly.

              • rational_lib@lemmy.world
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                8 days ago

                15 Senate Dems vote to cancel billions in Israeli military aid

                There’s 49 senate Democrats, which means 30.6% of Senate Democrats have voted for ending aid to Israel. 0% of Republican senators voted to cancel aid to Israel.

                Furthermore Republicans absolutely love to abuse pro-Palestine people in the worst ways they can, including arresting and deporting pro-Palestine people and cutting off funding for colleges that allow you to protest. I don’t think that’s “slightly less” evil.

                Finally even “slightly less” evil is by definition less evil. Getting in a car crash at 80 MPH is only slightly less likely to kill you than getting in a crash at 90 mph. So what’s the point of hitting the brakes?

                To be honest, to someone who’s observed this conflict for a long time, your side is getting its ass kicked. Israel has taken more land for 8 decades and no one is stopping them as they take more. You need every last advantage if you want to turn the tide. Don’t be lazy, make the necessary distinctions between those who might help you and those who will do whatever a judge will allow them to do to harm you.

                • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                  8 days ago

                  To be honest, to someone who’s observed this conflict for a long time, your side is getting its ass kicked.

                  What is your “side”? Neither the GOP nor the DNC are on my side. They’re on their donors’ sides. On the side of Zionists, the military-industrial complex, and other corporations that benefit from US imperialism & Israeli settler-colonialism.

    • 🏴 hamid the villain [he/him] 🏴@vegantheoryclub.orgOP
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      8 days ago

      “our enemies” LOL you Americans are so ridiculous. Turn off the TV, you’re just some dope who works for a living, absolutely no one is your enemy except the dictatorship of capital who are represented by political parties in your country and run capitalism.

      Both of your parties carried on illegal wars in my country, toppled the government, left a power vacuum that consumed my family and I still don’t think of you as my enemy.

    • Allonzee@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      Only one party is actively funded by our enemies

      Incorrect, both parties take money from Wall Street. Only a tiny, tiny minority of the Democrats don’t, and those spoiler Democrats are hated by the DNC far more than the DNC opposes their esteemed Republican opposition.

      If you refuse to see the capitalist oligarchs are the enemy that created the conditions for Trump, then nevermind and carry on, as there’s nothing that ever could convince you.

  • blady_blah@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    The Republicans have all three branches of government and are fucking us over! I know, let’s drag out the both-sides-are-the-same arguments!!

    Take your cynicism and both sides arguments and shove them off your ass.