Hi,
A problem I have been coming up against is that a lot of the newer, budget Windows laptop (which I will immediately replace with my distribution of choice upon receipt) have memory soldered on the motherboard. This is a decision which brings the utmost distate to my mouth; I’m looking for budget laptops around the $300 mark (new) that let me upgrade their parts. Which models should I be looking at?
I am aware that the used market is fairly decent right now but I’d like to take a look at what’s coming up alongside looking at used gear. Thanks.
The last thing you should be worrying about when buying a budget laptop is the expandability of the ram. it seriously doesn’t matter if you only have 4gb, Linux is so lightweight it runs completely fine.
imo you should be worrying about:
- display quality (even some ips displays look horrible)
- build quality (physically feel the keyboard, chassis flex, etc)
- battery life (for heavily used laptops account for the price of a replacement. for old thinkpads you can extend it dramatically with bigger bstteries)
- cpu speed (core count, single core performance, hyperthreading, etc. new celerons lose to i5s from 2013 lmao)
- storage (MAKE SURE IT’S NOT EMMC!!)
4 GB RAM is not enough if you plan on using multiple tabs on a browser. And I don’t mean a ridiculous number of tabs. You might run out from 4 tabs or so.
Thanks for the comment, but my workflow will require some RAM. I’ll look towards the older thinkpads, thanks!
I would say 8GB of RAM is the absolute minimum you should consider buying for desktop Linux now. With 4GB, you need a lightweight distro if you want enough RAM left to run a web browser without swapping.
really? my kde laptop manages fine with 4gb with a few heavy ff tabs open
Yup, KDE is out of the question with 4gb
i run kde6 with 4gb though
And don’t forget that someone running Linux might need to have a Windows VM for some situations. So you need to have at least 8Gb of RAM to be able to allocate 4Gb to this Virtual Machine.
Otherwise if you just use Linux 4 might be enough but really limiting.
I agree that it’s limiting, but I’d argue that the other things I mentioned are more limiting.
my point isn’t that 4gb of ram is fine, it’s that the other things i mentioned are worse.
Thinkpad.
A 30 series would do. I heard the series afterward are going downhill, except for W541 and T480.
I myself am rocking an X230 and W530.
i love my t430 <3
i’ve heard the t440p isn’t that bad though, if you replace the trackpad with the one from the t450
Framework laptops
Framework machines are great, and certainly upgradeable, but $300 they are most certainly not.
Soldered RAM has better performance and reliability while consuming less power than socketed RAM and users of budget machines rarely want to upgrade. If you find one with socketed RAM at that price, colour me impressed!
For an upgradable laptop frame.work comes to mind but even their outlet is $200 above your budget.
https://frame.work/marketplace?outlet[]=Factory+seconds&outlet[]=Last+gen&outlet[]=Refurbished&availability[]=in_stock&availability[]=coming_soonSometimes the appeal of socketed RAM is to just buy the bottom model and upgrade.
When I bought my Thinkpad E585 (wouldn’t reccomend), it was like $50 cheaper to buy a second 4GB DIMM from Crucial, and like $100 less to take the 500GB spinning rust option and add your own NVMe.
$300 is a really difficult price point for what youre asking for new. At the price, youre in the chromebook range, where even the windows machines are going to be as barebones as possible.
You want to step into the used market if you want customizable for $300. Getting something good thats a few years old like an lenovo carbon x1 looks possible, and they are a dream to update. The above supports linux with no issues.
Cheap Chromebooks tend to break just like other cheap laptops. The only difference is that the OS may feel more responsive initially.
I see. There’s not much of a choice outside the used thinkpad range then. Very well. Thank you
Honestly, the value proposition of old business computers is almost unbeatable.
Yes, it’s not the most recent hardware, but decent enough, especially the chonky boi ThinkPads are very easy to repair/upgrade and built like tanks (though only Russian ones, they barely withstand an RPG hit, which is a shame).
Could you suggest a few models? I’d be fairly interested in older business laptops especially if they are a viable alternative to the thinkpad line (never a bad idea to have more choices!)
The thinkpad t480 for more modern feeling. A t470 for some more upgradeability. I also like the x270 for a smaller 12.5 inch screen and I think you can find all of these under 300.
Yes. This is the way.
As a follow up, if the price point were a bit higher (much higher? idk), what would the options be like for this request? edit: also thx for the current answer 🙏
If you’re looking at the customisable/upgradable thing, then Frameworks are great for that. You can buy them without (or with) a Windows licence, you can buy them without RAM or a hard drive if you want. But they are on the more expensive end of the scale. However, in future you can upgrade the guts without replacing the case/screen/etc.
I got a used business dell a couple of years ago for £300. It still had active service warranty which dell transferred over to me. I upgraded the ram to 32gb and the ssd to 1tb and it was pretty decent for the time - i7 10th gen from memory (without grabbing the thing to check).
Could you tell me the model you got? I’m very interested in older laptops used in the enterprise, especially if they are a viable alternative to the older Thinkpad line
It’s a latitude 7390. I was mistaken, it’s an 8th gen i7, but still pretty new at the time I bought it. Bonus - Dell put all their service manuals online so you can always find instructions on how to tear down and upgrade
Thanks, I’m seriously considering the Latitude line alongside the Thinkpads.
You will struggle to find anything decent at that price new.
Plenty of good used options though, a used ThinkPad will have great Linux compatibility and be serviceable. They can be very cheap depending on how older hardware you can tolerate. There are other business grade laptops from Dell, HP etc that have good refurb deals too.
I’m starting to realise that myself. It might just be a better idea to go used after all. Thanks
Get a used Thinkpad. Shop around eBay for a T480 or T490 which should be at that price range. Solid machines with great Linux compatibility. Anything new will be much worse at that price point. If you desperately searching for something new maybe a HP 255 G9 with a Rzyen 3 would be fitting. Not as good built quality wise and I’m not sure about Linux compatibility but at least it is upgradable. (https://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c08017466)
The only thing you’ll get for 300 new is a laptop shaped object - very similar in looks to laptop but essentially an expensive paper weight that pisses you off.
ThinkPad 470 is not mentioned? Was it a bad choiseI? I want fedora om it?
I was simply asking for newer laptops. I am considering the used thinkpads alongside any recommendations here so I feel more informed
Business Dells are also worth considering. They’re comparable to the Thinkpad.
There’s nothing wrong with the T470, it’s just an older model. If you find a really good deal on one then get it. If not, then go for the T480 since it has a newer CPU and better battery life.
I think Ive got a great deal, it works fine now, hope it still will do woth fedora 39
It will probably be fine for the next decade at least. It supports up to 32GB of RAM.
You’re going to have to up your budget a bit. However, you can get a Thinkbook, which is exactly what you’re looking for - DIMM slot, upgradable NVME and USB-C charging. Only downside is that it comes with a fake (non-Zen4) 7th gen Ryzen processor. If you can wait for some time, the next 2024 ThinkPad E series may have DIMM slots without the soldered RAM nonsense.
I am looking at used Thinkpads, thanks. It seems that’s my best choice after all.
I got a used ThinkPad for that price a year ago. Needed a laptop, and was a broke student. Really repairable - it’s easy to take apart, not glued, and most parts seem to be available at Aliexpress for reasonable prices. It’s still doing it’s job, and even though I could afford upgrading it now, I don’t really see a reason to.
The last time I had a look at the market for new laptops, most things 300€ (which should be close enough to $300) would buy you where, judging by the components, bound to be painfully slow. If it really needs to be new, I’d look for stores that have discounts, and look up the model on iFixit or a simmilar resource to check how repairable it is.
Thank you, I was simply surveying the market to see if there are any new laptops in this range to look at. Seems like that is not the case, so off to the used market I go.
It doesn’t necessarily need to be a ThinkPad either. Any used good quality business laptop should do the trick. My grandmother recently got an used EliteBook, and it’s working quite well for her. I’d look for mid- to high-end models, with parts that aren’t soldered - you should be able to find that out on the data sheet for the model in question.
Any i5/R5 and up in a machine that isn’t too old should handle pretty much everything most people expect from a laptop - for me that is running a browser, a Latex editor, a notes app, and an IDE, for the most part.
I’d reccomend Linux, but that might be based more on my personal convictions, and a machine like that should also be able to run current Windows with no problems.
I’m going to run Linux alright, and maybe BSD if I feel up to it. It would seem that the older Dell Latitudes are comparable to the older Thinkpads as options
Upgradeable parts = non-soldered RAM and SSD?
The laptop that doesn’t exist… For they money you might find something with an Intel Atom or Pentium inside. Which is about as far as having a mouse on a wheel as your CPU…🤣
A used ThinkPad? I use Debian 12 GNOME (animations on) on an old Core i3 2nd gen desktop with 4 GB RAM and no SSD, and I can use 3-4 Firefox tabs with music player, PDF reader and Thunar file manager quite well.
Shove in extra 4 GB RAM and put in a $50 SATA SSD if possible, and you have a snappy machine.
