Probably the worst problem it’s not about physical repair but about software programmed obsolescence… and it’s not about the govt but about greedy corps which want to sell you a phone per year.
Maybe the govt should make them extend the software support for at least 5 years or something. But I believe they wouldn’t at the end they take advantage of it, more sells more money for the govt.
If you want this, the market offered you solutions. I have a phone from 2019 that’s too slow, I would not want to use it in 2016 so I wouldn’t need 7 years of updates. They should not be forced on vendors who release budget phones
While Apple has many issues, their support of older phones is really good. You can replace the battery once and still use the same phone for at least 5-6 years.
My current phone is 4.5 years old and still going strong, with latest software versions.
I’m not saying you are a liar mate, but in my personal use of a smartphone, I can’t use an iphone, there are so many things I do on it what I can’t do in an iphone. So I prefer to buy a new cheap android smartphone every 1-2 years instead of a 5 years device with I can’t do 50% of the things I do on Android,
The main reasons I don’t use apple it’s cos, you can’t use ADB(or similar) and you can’t install anything outside the app store out of the box.
In my personal POV and for the things I do with my phone(run my business they way I like le to run it) I prefer to buy cheap Chinese smartphones for around 100 bucks each 1-2 years instead of spending 700 bucks in an iphone with a can’t do 50% of the things I do on Android.
That was not to get you to buy another phone, in fact the opposite. It was to keep your phone functional even though it had a worn out battery.
In phones there is this concept called a ‘race to idle’. Basically, you want your phone to do nothing, because doing nothing uses very little energy. So when you do something on your phone, the goal is to do it as quickly as possible so it can go back to doing nothing and save battery. Your phone will be in this low-power idle state 99.999% of the time. You still want your phone to be responsive though, when you click on something you want it to respond without delay. That means that when you tell it to do something it has to go from this low power state back to a high speed state.
Now, iOS is really aggressive in this, it ramps up the CPU speed really fast. As a result, the power draw of the CPU goes from almost nothing to a high power draw very quickly. This causes problems with old batteries. As a battery ages it not only loses capacity, but it also becomes slower to respond to changes in power draw. If the CPU needs a lot of power quickly and the battery can’t keep up you get a brownout (drop in voltage) and the phone basically crashes and reboots.
So what Apple has done is that when iOS detects this happening (i.e. a crash due to the battery being unable to keep up), it will ramp up the CPU a little slower. Or to use a car analogy: they don’t change the top speed, but are less aggressive on the gas so it takes a little longer to get to that top speed. If you replace the battery it goes back to the original behavior.
This is basically a good thing, the alternative is that your phone keeps crashing. Where they screwed up is that they failed to inform users of this.
Walk into Apple store, hand over phone, pick it up an hour later. Couldn’t be easier. Looking at prices, 3rd party repair services using non-original parts charge the same or more as Apple does.
“Look, you can either not have your car burst into flames, or you can accept that it will drive progressively slower over the next five years. Yes we know you bought the car five years ago but it will literally explode if you drive faster than 10MPH. We just care about your safety is all! Safe from the product we made!”
It doesn’t get progressively slower over time, it’s either in degraded mode or it isn’t.
If you want to use a car analogy, it’s comparable to limp mode. When your car detects an engine problem it goes into limp mode in which you don’t have full performance but you can at least get home. You’d rather have your car not do this and risk damaging the engine, or would you prefer it to simply stop working and leave you stranded?
Batteries wear out, it’s an unfortunate property of our current battery tech. You can either let your phone get unstable (risking data loss), have it refuse to work at all, or let its run in reduced performance mode so it at least stays usable. Those are your options. Pick one.
PCs dont need the manufacturer (eg lenovo dell hp) to push updates to windows because the hardware is standardized and vendors cooperate to make windows interoperable.
this should be a thing with phones. let me get any compatible os into it instead of locking and signing it to the oem’s ancient firmware. better yet, let me get android directly from google or whatever.
Yeah for sure, it’s super useful. Also interesting to see if and why your own comments get removed.
Like the time I called someone a zionist shill, I kinda get. The first comment of mine that got removed was a pretty supportive pro-trans comment but maybe the mod thought I was being too aggressive toward the person I replied to? Anyways, love that there’s that transparency here
Probably the worst problem it’s not about physical repair but about software programmed obsolescence… and it’s not about the govt but about greedy corps which want to sell you a phone per year.
Maybe the govt should make them extend the software support for at least 5 years or something. But I believe they wouldn’t at the end they take advantage of it, more sells more money for the govt.
Google already offers 7 years
If you want this, the market offered you solutions. I have a phone from 2019 that’s too slow, I would not want to use it in 2016 so I wouldn’t need 7 years of updates. They should not be forced on vendors who release budget phones
While Apple has many issues, their support of older phones is really good. You can replace the battery once and still use the same phone for at least 5-6 years.
My current phone is 4.5 years old and still going strong, with latest software versions.
Not bad at all, let’s hope they don’t do anything to deliberately make you have to buy new equipment.
It’s been like this for a very long time, but you gotta hate somewhere I guess
I’m not saying you are a liar mate, but in my personal use of a smartphone, I can’t use an iphone, there are so many things I do on it what I can’t do in an iphone. So I prefer to buy a new cheap android smartphone every 1-2 years instead of a 5 years device with I can’t do 50% of the things I do on Android,
The main reasons I don’t use apple it’s cos, you can’t use ADB(or similar) and you can’t install anything outside the app store out of the box.
In my personal POV and for the things I do with my phone(run my business they way I like le to run it) I prefer to buy cheap Chinese smartphones for around 100 bucks each 1-2 years instead of spending 700 bucks in an iphone with a can’t do 50% of the things I do on Android.
Like, say, slow down an older phone so one has to buy a new faster phone? Source
That was not to get you to buy another phone, in fact the opposite. It was to keep your phone functional even though it had a worn out battery.
In phones there is this concept called a ‘race to idle’. Basically, you want your phone to do nothing, because doing nothing uses very little energy. So when you do something on your phone, the goal is to do it as quickly as possible so it can go back to doing nothing and save battery. Your phone will be in this low-power idle state 99.999% of the time. You still want your phone to be responsive though, when you click on something you want it to respond without delay. That means that when you tell it to do something it has to go from this low power state back to a high speed state.
Now, iOS is really aggressive in this, it ramps up the CPU speed really fast. As a result, the power draw of the CPU goes from almost nothing to a high power draw very quickly. This causes problems with old batteries. As a battery ages it not only loses capacity, but it also becomes slower to respond to changes in power draw. If the CPU needs a lot of power quickly and the battery can’t keep up you get a brownout (drop in voltage) and the phone basically crashes and reboots.
So what Apple has done is that when iOS detects this happening (i.e. a crash due to the battery being unable to keep up), it will ramp up the CPU a little slower. Or to use a car analogy: they don’t change the top speed, but are less aggressive on the gas so it takes a little longer to get to that top speed. If you replace the battery it goes back to the original behavior.
This is basically a good thing, the alternative is that your phone keeps crashing. Where they screwed up is that they failed to inform users of this.
If only the customer could easily replace the battery.
Walk into Apple store, hand over phone, pick it up an hour later. Couldn’t be easier. Looking at prices, 3rd party repair services using non-original parts charge the same or more as Apple does.
This is like skulling Kool-Aid
You’d rather have a phone that randomly crashes?
“Look, you can either not have your car burst into flames, or you can accept that it will drive progressively slower over the next five years. Yes we know you bought the car five years ago but it will literally explode if you drive faster than 10MPH. We just care about your safety is all! Safe from the product we made!”
It doesn’t get progressively slower over time, it’s either in degraded mode or it isn’t.
If you want to use a car analogy, it’s comparable to limp mode. When your car detects an engine problem it goes into limp mode in which you don’t have full performance but you can at least get home. You’d rather have your car not do this and risk damaging the engine, or would you prefer it to simply stop working and leave you stranded?
Batteries wear out, it’s an unfortunate property of our current battery tech. You can either let your phone get unstable (risking data loss), have it refuse to work at all, or let its run in reduced performance mode so it at least stays usable. Those are your options. Pick one.
Their support of older phones? Like when they push firmware updates that cripple them because “umm, security, or something”?
we shoudnt depend on the goodwill of a corporation tho.
phones should be as standardized and open as computers so it doesnt really depend on them.
standardization.
PCs dont need the manufacturer (eg lenovo dell hp) to push updates to windows because the hardware is standardized and vendors cooperate to make windows interoperable.
this should be a thing with phones. let me get any compatible os into it instead of locking and signing it to the oem’s ancient firmware. better yet, let me get android directly from google or whatever.
Why have this persons comments been deleted? They’ve got upvotes, so likely not that outlandish.
You mean here or in other threads? They’ve made and stood by some ignorant arguments before, just look at their username.
Edit: also you can look at the modlog https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=6104586
tldr they’re a terrible person or troll
Oof, yeah, that is a lot. Good riddance.
Also thanks for pointing that out, didn’t know modlog was a thing tbh.
Yeah for sure, it’s super useful. Also interesting to see if and why your own comments get removed.
Like the time I called someone a zionist shill, I kinda get. The first comment of mine that got removed was a pretty supportive pro-trans comment but maybe the mod thought I was being too aggressive toward the person I replied to? Anyways, love that there’s that transparency here