https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ
Not 100% in agreement with some of her videos, but I believe this one is spot on, and probably easier to understand by normies.
Saying you have nothing to fear, if you have nothing to hide is the equivlent. of saying i dont need the freedom of speach beacause i have nothing to say.
I belive the quote is from cory doctrow. BASED person
I always liked his differentiation between private and secret. Something along the lines of if you have kids it’s not a secret that you have sex, but it is private.
I agree that the “I have nothing to hide” argument is wrong, but could you not use the word normies? I think when people who visit this community see stuff like that it seems kinda gatekeepy even if that isn’t the intent.
You’re right, I don’t do it with that intention, changed.
Everyone needs to watch this movie, share it, and then watch it again.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Eric Murphy has a video like that as well. Honestly loved his channel but it seems he’s stopped uploading without a trace
Never heard of him. I’ll look him up too. All these videos are good tools to help evangelize our normie acquaintances. Thanks for the tip.
So you want me to visit one of the greatest surveillance capitalist and privacy abusers video website to get tips on how to help people understand why privacy is important? Yah, about that. No.
Wow, grouchy indeed. If you don’t already use a YouTube front-end you only have yourself to blame. Any YouTube link I click redirects to my preferred front-end (FreeTube via invidious). I haven’t given YouTube a single bit of traffic and still get to watch any video I want. It takes 5 minutes to set it all up at the most.
yt-dlp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQon public WiFi or using a VPN thenJust make a bot to randomly click on everything to poison the algorithm.
Come to think of it, make some VM’s spin up each with a different identity to monkey wrench it all.
You don’t like the Piped bot?
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=eR7D6Fx0fTQ
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
This is just under 12 minutes long. Tldw. Can someone explain the argument in maybe 1 paragraph? I watched a minute of the video and got bored. I can’t see sending it to anyone. A 1 minute version would be great.
You need to watch it. You can commit 12 minutes of your time to understand the very real threats to your liberty. You would spend those 12 minutes just flipping through shit posts anyways.
I don’t need to hear it myself since I think I’m already privacy conscious. The suggestion was that I forward the link to other people, but it’s really too long for that. Thus the request for a written or at least shorter version.
It is long by today’s standards, but that’s because it’s not a simple subject. It does a great job condensing a lot of information into that 12 minutes and it’s as entertaining as such a video can be. You’re right that a lot of people won’t watch it because it’s 12 minutes, and that is a problem in itself, especially when they’ll gladly watch 24 thirty second TikTok videos in the same amount of time that are all completely worthless.
Is there a transcript? I’m sure the relevant info can be digested in much less than 12 minutes.
Yeah I spend more time than that reading shitposts as someone said. But that’s because I like reading. I hate video and I don’t want to watch it if I can read the info instead. Tik Tok is not for me.
Thx for the tldw
The general take away is “Surveillance is oppression and it is the responsibility of the people to stand up against oppression”.
A few other quotes I like that fit the theme.
“People shouldn’t be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”
— V (V for Vendetta)
“Without privacy, you can’t have anything for yourself. Saying you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
— Edward Snowden
Thanks for the summary. To respond to OP, no I don’t think this is the best explanation. The people who usually say they don’t care about privacy because they have nothing to hide are people who don’t care about surveillance either, so that doesn’t exactly change their minds.
The best way to make them understand is to provide examples that may affect them directly. And I’m not talking about the “show me your phone” or “leave your bathroom door open” response, because that’s not a good example of mass surveillance that we are trying to explain to them. It’s hard to find the best comparison, but one example is home cameras and baby monitors. Those things are so insecure that anyone can access them over the internet. So we ask them, are you fine that any rando on the internet can tap your living room camera and watch you even though you’re just watching tv and not really doing anything private?
I’m not scared of governments surveying me, as someone who has worked for several national and local governments, they don’t have the time or budget. I’m not scared of advertisers surveying me, they’re just going to try and sell me something anyway. I’m not scared fo data brokers, they don’t want my data, they want to sell it to some one else for a profit and don’t really care about it.
What I am afraid of is someone I’ve pissed someone off and that any of the groups above don’t care about my data enough to protect it from the asshole who will use it vindictively.
Yeah, I think you might want to watch that video, you might be in the target audience without knowing it.
I’m not scared of governments surveying me … they don’t have the time or budget… I’m not scared fo data brokers, they don’t want my data, they want to sell it to some one else for a profit and don’t really care about it.
We’re in an era where surveillance is cheap enough that literally everyone gets surveilled, and we’re approaching one where the data will actually get analyzed (by AI) even when there’s no prior expectation that it will be interesting. And while the data sellers might not scare you, what about the buyers? E.g.
anyone down voting this, just remember that this is what your mom or friend will say when you send this to them.
A problem I often see is with profiling from your data, imagine in a matter of three months you searched in google “remedies for headaches”, “what causes stomach pains”, “blood in feces”, your profile might get a flag warning possible colon cancer, now the next year your health insurance rises to double, because of the possibility of you developing cancer.
This is just a single cenario where they collect info about you and profile you and then sell the data to insurance companies, insurance pays big time because this info is valuable to them. How do you feel about this and what other cenarios can you imagine where your profile could fuck you up?
She lost me when she showed bitcoin as an example of an unfairly criticized obfuscation tool.
Yeah, and if you go through her videos, while she does have some very good points and suggestions, you can tell she’s still somewhat biased towards some unsightly stuff.
A twelve minute video link in response to “I have nothing to hide” is not going to be persuasive because it won’t be watched. You have to care about privacy before you invest that much time.
A better response IMO is “really? Can I see your phone?” and then start going browsing through video and SMS messages.
“Really? So you shit with the toilet door open?”
Their answer, almost invariably, is “it’s not the same, everybody shits, and everybody knows it”. Sometimes I wish I was able to hack some of them just to show them. That’d get them moving.
I like to ask „when was the last time you had sex, with whom, what did you do exactly and how was it?“
if they would tell me that Id ask if they want their boss, theor parents or their ex to know that info
Ask them if they’d be OK with never closing a cubicle door
