Every accusation is a confession.
While true, you don’t think China hasn’t done the same thing to other countries?
This kind of everybody’s doing it argument flattens the scale to which countries are doing it to a binary. No country is doing it to anywhere near the scale to which the US is, just as no country but the US has over 750 overseas military bases around the world, and is building more to further encircle China. No other country constantly has multiple regime change operations in play around the world at the same time.
Well yeah. I’m not talking about scale though.
I kinda see your point. Everybody knows the USA does wrong things on a huge scale, and while that is true, the most vocal about it don’t care when the rest of the competing authoritarian regimes do worse things on a smaller scale.
Like? You mean genocide or concentration camps or forced hysterectomies? USA does it, China and Russia “near peer competitors” do not.
Actually, no. While China absolutely spies on other nations as well as infiltrates social media, they don’t try to cause rebellions. I’m saying this BECAUSE of what western media has uncovered about China’s influence campaigns in the US. We’ve uncovered Russia doing exactly this in our elections, but every single one of the articles about China’s influence campaigns have all pointed to China simply advertising visiting China and promoting Chinese products.
There’s a good reason for this and it underlines the differences between US and China’s views of the world. China, unlike pretty much every other country doesn’t care what your country does or who rules it. They have no moral lines to cross or care about conflicts in other nations. AS LONG AS CHINA CAN CONSUME ALL YOUR RESOURCES, China’s totally happy for you to be whatever the fuck you want to be. Thus, China doesn’t try to manipulate votes in other nations. Arguably this is also why USA is terrified of China. In a Chinese ruled world, there could be chaos essentially everywhere except China. No world police, no effective sanctions, just business with China.
So, it’s not that China wouldn’t or couldn’t do something like this, it’s just not in their current interests. That could change, that probably will change, but at the moment that’s how China is acting. Also, I’m not trying to say USA or China is good or bad, both have their good and bad sides and effects. What I am saying is China’s version of world governance is so vastly different from the US that this is where the conflict really lies.
We’ve uncovered Russia doing exactly this in our elections
Bullshit.
AS LONG AS CHINA CAN CONSUME ALL YOUR RESOURCES, China’s totally happy for you to be whatever the fuck you want to be.
More bullshit.
In a Chinese ruled world, there could be chaos essentially everywhere except China.
Even more bullshit.
You are a good example of a pseudo intellectual.
I don’t think it needs to when they can buy influence with cheap loans from their development bank for the Belt and Road Initiative, especially when they keep forgiving loans that can’t be paid back instead of forcing austerity down countries’ throats like the World Bank and IMF.
Countries that are pro-China just have a material interest in their relationship with China. Why bother with an influence campaign?
You seriously think the country that has its own citizens spy on each other for social points doesn’t spy on and try to influence other countries? Lol Come on.
Why would it? China wants to rule China, not the world (unlike the US lol)
You guys are a special kind of naive here
Stop being so credulous and believing everything the State Department tells you lol
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There’s no socal credit in China?
What’s this? https://credit.gz.gov.cn/(Hint: it’s the Chinese social credit system)
It’s always projection.They’re doing it to us as well, just as they did in the previous cold war.
A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire:
The [Uyghur American Association]’s leadership consists of U.S. national security state operators including employees of the U.S. government, U.S. propaganda network Radio Free Asia, and the military-industrial complex. Past leaders of the organization include:
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Rushan Abbas, former vice president — Previously boasted in her bio of her “extensive experience working with U.S. government agencies, including Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, and various U.S. intelligence agencies.” Served the U.S. government and Bush administration’s so-called war on terror as a “consultant at Guantanamo Bay supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.” Following a disastrous publicity appearance on Reddit’s “Ask Me Anything” question and answer forum, during which participants blasted Abbas as a “CIA Asset” and U.S. government collaborator, she has attempted to scrub her biographic information from the internet. Abbas currently heads the WUC affiliate organization, Campaign for Uyghurs.
I’m assuming every large country does this and has done this to every other country for the past like 200 years of not way longer. This is like saying the sky is blue.
US is the one country that dominates global media though.
If you mean movies and such then yea, obviously, but I’m not sure how that connected. I don’t think Hollywood is the puppet of spy agencies to spread disinformation, they are more interested in making money with the least amount of investment.
meanwhile in the real world https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-hollywood-became-the-unofficial-propaganda-arm-of-the-u-s-military-1.5560575
Like even if Hollywood only made pure propaganda on behest of the CIA and nothing else how is it related to every major country doing disinformation campaigns as long as spy shit has been the norm? Are you saying the US is the most successful at it?
I’m saying that IS enjoys disproportionate advantage in the propaganda space because US media dominates in most of the world. This is a well documented fact, and there are entire books written on this subject.
Yea, I don’t disagree. I’m sure any country would take advantage of that. I’m just trying to figure out if you were disagreeing with me or were you just adding a random fun fact about the US?
I’m simply pointing out that while all countries obviously try to spread their influence, US enjoys a massive advantage in that regard. Saying yeah everybody does this creates a false equivalence between the sheer scale of US propaganda compared to other countries.
Precisely how I feel when Americans bleat about Russiagate incidentally.
