The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
It’s been one day
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people are trying it out. I’m curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.
A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
It’s about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you’d be pretty happy about that.
Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.
That graph is trash. The baseline needs to be at zero.
Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I’m genuinely curious.
This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5 while it is not the case when looking at the raw numbers.
Any variation can look impressive if you zoom enough, that’s why you need a baseline at 0. This way you see thé entire scale of the phenomenon
This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5
How so? It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.
It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.
Yes but the graph goes from 2 rectangles above the bottom line to 8 rectangles above the bottom line in that final surge.
So visually, it looks like it has quadrupled.While I agree for the sake of clarity, a bigger problem is that it only goes back less than 2 months. Has the number of installs been steady at 7k for a long time? Or does it fluctuate wildly like this occasionally for reasons totally unrelated to laws?
I was just clarifying the original comment about the baseline not being 0.
Tbh, I hadn’t even looked at it properly and only noticed now that the timeline isn’t one month per box.
That graph hurts my data scientist heart
It’s common practice to cut the y axis, did you guys not cover that in visualisation?
No it doesn’t.
It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It’s not a scientific paper.
It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That’s significant enough to shout about.
Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That’s huge.
True.
Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue…AY!
It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph
But you don’t get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
The graph height increases by 300% in the last 3 months.It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine
Define “perfectly fine”. It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.
Of lies, damned lies, and statistics this graph is certainly one of them.
You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
A 0.001 difference on a 0.004 total would be worth showing.
That was a bad example. Try 1,000,000 moving up to 1,000,069.
I’m sticking with relevance. A >25% rise is what we’re talking about.
A 25% raise would show up with the y shits at zero. As would any significant increase.
Brave is evil.
Honestly I’d expect a much bigger jump
The line starts shooting up before March 6th though…
Timezones? The first drastically higher data point seems to be Mar 05
Competition is healthy for a market, this is proof that people aren’t happy with the default browser and it’ll hopefully spur apple into improving their browser and in turn causing brave to improve even more
Yeah but Brave? Why not Firefox or Vivaldi.
Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
Im, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I’m human. For example it has a built in VPN that doesn’t allow Google to see your IP address.
And 99.9% of the Safari’s code is FOSS.
Man imagine being so far up apples butt that you actually think Safari is safer than tor
I mean they did say few. Generally speaking, every browser is basically safari (WebKit) on iOS and apple doesn’t allow support for 3rd party browser extensions (least natively, Orion supports this somehow). So you’re already limited in that regard. If you don’t use safari , a browser like FF + VPN is IMO a better experience. You also have the option of just using wireguard and controlling your traffic at home/VPS if you’re into that.
WebKit might be open source but the browser deployed by apple is not. That’s like saying chrome is open source. They both use open source engines.
it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.
You have this backwards. Google showing you captchas is basically them saying they can’t match your browser to any know (shadow) profile they have already stored. So they aren’t sure you are a human and if so which one specifically. Getting harassed with a captcha is essentially like a badge of honour for your browsers privacy settings.
No they don’t, that’s exactly what they said. Safari makes them do CAPTCHAs so it is the most privacy friendly. It is true that it has better blocking features than Firefox on iOS (because Firefox doesn’t have extensions).
Oh you are right, I misread that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Firefox is deliberately gimped by Apple on iOS, along with every other browser. It’s not a fair comparison. It’s basically Safari without a ton of extra features that Mozilla was never going to be allowed to implement, which is why the EU decided Apple was being anti-competitive.
Firefox doesn’t even need extensions to match Safari, but it does need gecko and all the settings it supports on other platforms.
Apple is a shady company and trusting them with your data is a big mistake.
I don’t disagree that Firefox is deliberately gimped, and it’s built in blocking features on desktop match Safari on iOS. I’m not sure I really agree that Apple is a “shady company,” in many respects they are doing a good job with end to end encryption and ensuring that they don’t have access to your data in the first place (not to excuse their extreme walled garden approach, which stifles competition and limits good options like Firefox [real Firefox] with uBlock Origin [or uMatrix]).
Private relay is more like a VPN than tor.
Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.
That’s because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it’s HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn’t they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?
I wouldn’t be sure because of how stupid Apples compliance is. But if they do I would definitely switch. I guess it’s just going to be Firefox focus until then.
Because it’s listed as the first item on the browser choice screen for some reason, probably
The list is randomized, I’ve seen several screenshots with different order.
I mean it’s probably just alphabetical, but I wouldn’t know for sure.
The second one is Edge, and Aloha Browser exists
Forgive them. They aren’t used to choosing their browser yet.
They’re Apple users. They aren’t used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work
We don’t have to, cuz they work 😉
They work the way Apple wants them to
They also work how I want them to, well instead of having to fight my own phone, it just works, go figure
Sounds more like Stockholm Syndrome
Whatever you need to tell yourself, lol
Oh give me a break with this nonsense. Android has an 80% global market share, your average dipshit uses it just fine. It also “just works” and very frequently works better than iOS.
Safari is a shit tier browser when it comes to web standards and performance. It’s hilarious how iOS users try so hard to justify blowing $1000 on a phone when an Android 1/2 of the price does exactly the same thing and is just as easy to use. Why can’t you just enjoy your apple garbage without having this weird superiority complex?
Uff, projecting a bit aren’t we? I didn’t start the flame war, the other guy started by shitting on iphone users.
And yes, android phones do the 80% of Iphones for less money, but you know what? Those last 20% I do care about.
Just something as simple as switching my wireless earbuds between my computer and phone seamlessly, compare the experience between android + windows/linux and the experience with Iphone + macbook with airpods.
Small shit like that " just working" makes a huge difference in UX and thats what I care about.
Not sure how Safari being garbage is relevant, so is chrome, I use firefox, so, whatever?
I have has wireless bluetooth earbuds since like 2018, all of them had the issue that if I put my phone in certain pockets they would cut out, etc.
Even my airpods had that issue with my latest OnePlus phone, guess what, never happened once with Iphone, it just works, I don’t have to think about which pocket I should be putting my phone into.
The most annoying thing about the Iphone is the keyboard, but I am getting used to it, tried swiftkey, but just as much of a laggy poece of shit as it is on android
I’d defend myself, but I work in digital marketing so I’m not going to dissuade anyone from using AdWords… I mean Android.
Funny, I see far more ads on iOS than I do Android
Where?
Don’t tell them about all the different ad blockers we can use!
Ok you get a free pass, make sure it doesn’t happen again :)
Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I’m switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.
Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?I am using uBlock Origin on my Vivaldi. It doesn’t block everything.
It’s not supposed to block everything. Neither does brave.
“This Other Browser is just as good as Brave*!”
*if you install x, y, and z and uninstall a and b
You are comparing a tool to a tool belt in terms pf capabilities.
You think Firefox is the only browser that can use extensions and add-ons? Brave just doesn’t need them for adblock because it’s built in. But, like all chromium browsers, you can use loads of extensions for loads of use cases. Anything that works on Chrome works on Brave.
It’s maybe a few clicks to find the add-ons store in Firefox then searching “uBlock Origin”. Hell, when I switched to Firefox last year, I want to say there was even an onboarding that pointed me to the extension upon setup.
So, back to my original point.
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Well the Brave Twitter account is likely a bit biased toward the Brave browser. 🙂
I’m sure the others were impacted too.
as someone said, its randomised, and I’m sure that other browsers also saw more downloads
Still better than Edge or Chrome
firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it’s too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat
It has its levels of enshittification, but it’s still a very good browser.
I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.
Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.
I wouldn’t say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn’t support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren’t problems with FireFox, it’s more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn’t work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that’s FireFox’s fault.
I’ve used edge before my university disabled profile syncing (only reason I was using it, to be honest). Edge was fine. Switched to Firefox just to see how it is nowadays, never looked back. Honestly, can’t think of any extension I’m missing. Got quite a few myself, but probably not the same niche as you.
So far I haven’t encountered broken websites yet. Fingers crossed to keep it that way. Though I’ll probably steer clear of such a website unless absolutely necessary.
Granted, I’m a software engineer,
Lmao love how you inserted “software engineer” there like that supposed to mean something.
In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.
Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore
Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you’re stepping on a minefield.
Idk if I would advocate for or defend it, but I find mobile ads especially abhorrent cuz they take up more relative space on the screen and my upload speed isn’t good enough to be VPNing through my pihole anytime I’m outside the house
iOS browsers are just skins for Safari anyways, and Brave addresses my issue out of the box, so yeah
Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can’t say I’d recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.
We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.
True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it’s like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.
Remember kids, if it’s Chromium based, it’s still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don’t let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.
The worrisome thing is that there’s no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.
We must defend Firefox at all costs, it’s the last glimmer of freedom.
Every single other browser is Chromium.
One exception I’m aware of: GNOME Web (aka epiphany-browser) uses WebKitGTK, which is based on Apple’s WebKit rather than Google’s Chromium/Blink. But it’s Linux desktops first and foremost. Not on mobile platforms, not exactly intended for Windows (might be usable with Cygwin/WSL) or macOS (seems to be on MacPorts) either, and even on non-GNOME desktops like KDE it might seem a bit out of place.
I daily drive Firefox but Epiphany is my first choice fallback on the rare occasion I encounter a site that’s broken on Firefox.
Firefox +50% in Germany, +30% in France
Cause Firefox is trash and Mozilla a shell of their former selves?
Also it’s so liberating to speak your mind without caring what some scrub with his sweaty fingers on the downvote button thinks
Vivaldi is proprietary bullcrap. I don’t know why people keep sucking their dick
Brave would definitely not be my choice 😂
Certainly, but it’s probably happening for all browsers on iOS right now.
…in europe
That is fine, as long as people have a choice.
Hurry USA! Better find some smallish company to sue for anti trust instead of working on any real issues like this
it’s was not hard. you just install one and tap “always” the next time you open a link to set it as the default
Many if not most users were unaware of this possibility though.
Reminder that this graph does not start at zero. Still a ~40% increase.
take home message from this graph: if we shift the graph down by ~7K, you can see that we have roughly increased our user base by a factor of 100!
9.33262154 × 10157% is a pretty sick increase, all things considered.
Chart is a little misleading starting at 7% instead of zero, but still a nice surge nevertheless.
Is that 7% or 7,000 installs total? The axis isn’t labeled!!
I see a k following the numbers, so I’m assuming that’s total number of downloads.
Article states installs per day
True. Other people asked so they posted another one.
IMO, this makes it look even worse.
Does not look as nice, but is way less misleading
Even then, this is still a solid 30-40% increase in downloads. That’s statistically significant right there.
That’s why they started with the one they did
Bullish
Worse, or… “better”?
Not even seven percent. Lol. Seven thousand which is probably like .0001 percent.
That’s new daily installs though, so cumulative number. I don’t think they’re trying to draw a comparison, just show the increase.
I dont know wtf this is about; I have NEVER had a problem switching default browsers in ANY environment.
After you install the 17.4 update or when setting up the phone it’ll ask what browser you want as your deafult. Before this and still in other countries you have to manually search and download a browser and set it as the default.
I was a bit confused too. So all that’s changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?
yes, because the average user doesn’t even know there are different browsers, and that they can change the default one, which is great to “vendor lock” your own browser, in this case Safari from iOS
Gotcha, but even in that case, what’s convincing most of those average users from picking a different browser? The logo? “Ooh pretty lion?”
Some might be aware others exist but not be quite tech savvy enough to figure out how to have it be the default. I downloaded Firefox for my ex on her phone but the default was still chrome so whenever she clicked a link on an app it would just open on chrome. If this pop up had happened she would have chosen to make Firefox her main browser when opening links and stuff. She did use it when browsing normally, Chrome was just the default for all other apps.
Hell you dealing with iPhone users here, they barely know that the device they use in this technically a computer. You’ve got to basically spoon feed them basic stuff like other browsers exist.
IPhone and Mac users in general. A friend of mine was an Apple sales rep for many many years and holy crap I dont know how he didnt go on a killing spree
I used to work for Apple technical support and the stupidity of your average Apple user drive me up the wall, it’s left me with a very negative view of their clientele.
My favorite was the person that threatened to sue me personally because he had dropped his iPhone on a glass table and it had broken the glass table and the iPhone. And he was mad that Apple wouldn’t cover his costs.
I’m so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn’t know what the green line represented.
And once again, I am seriously questioning Apple’s privacy claims. Why else would Apple build such a moat around Safari?
Same reasons as Internet Explorer, probably
Because they can limit it and thus make app more attractive and keep a 30% cut?
