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I’m pretty sure I’ve only read “Dune” and nothing else in the series. I didn’t know there were even more than 1 book until the last movie was being hyped up.
Are they as good? Better? Weirder? What ends up being the actual main plot of the story as a whole?
As with most sci-fi the author gets loopier in the later books. That being said:
- Dune: masterpiece of philosophy, one of the best books ever put to print
- Dune Messiah: a worthy sequel and must read after the first book; completes Paul’s arc
- Children of Dune: more plot driven than the first, but still thematically rich and entertaining.
- God Emperor of Dune: the most divisive of the books: you love it or you hate it. I am in the love it camp, the book is unhinged and the themes are marvelous. This is where I’d stop a read of the series.
- Chapterhouse and the other (Heretics?): forgettable in my opinion, simply because I’ve forgotten them. Later book fan opinions welcome.
- anything Brian Herbert: not terrible but not awfully good either. Makes for decent light reading I guess, and there’s good lore building in some of the books despite some unforgivable retcons (Agemmemnon, sigh)
Heretics and Chapterhouse are also weirdly horny. Sure, sex was always a big part of how the Bene Gesserit operated, but when they were made the hero faction it got… weird…
Those two books also fully raised Duncan to be the main character, though, and they introduced Miles Teg, so they have that going for them.
Children of Dune is the only one i have to grin and bear. I love Good Emperor through Chapterhouse better than Messiah and only slightly less than the original.
Consider the first three books one trilogy that completes a story. It ends with a cliffhanger that picks up millenia later with the next three. The two written by Frank’s son “finish” the main story.
I enjoyed all of them and will reread them at some point. Of all of them, chapterhouse was the weirdest of them.
Messiah is good
Children is decent but spotty
God Emperor is essentially a fever dream. I was like WTF while reading it but I love how off the rails it went.
The last couple are kind of meandering and forgettable.
The immediate prequels (house books) are a fun read and plotted well, but his kid isn’t as good of a writer as poppa Herbert
The legends books are garbage
The last 2 books that tie up the original series (hunters and sandworms) are not good and are infuriating in that elements from the legends books are reintroduced as deus ex machina bullshit. I saw the twist coming halfway through the last book.
I never read any of the other gap filler books that have been written in that universe. It got tiresome
Everything up until God Emperor is worthwhile with the prequels being a fun appetizer. Read the synopses of the others if you need to know what happens
Bro took it wormynally
Should we tell them about that time every major character gets reborn as a child clone thousands of years later so they can be chased by 2 beings, one of which is named Marty?
No, not yet? Ok…
Shhh! We don’t talk about Brian’s books.
These… weren’t Brian’s books
Isn’t the above the plot of Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune?
It is, but it’s also the ending of Chapterhouse, which is why I called him Marty and not the other name
Weird fashion style to have your nose hair braided to your hair, I think you should shave it tho
“Yeah you’re right”
shaves it off, dies of dehydration two hours later
A worm? God Emperor. It all goes weird when he splits into sandpuppies though.
Spoiler!!! >: |
Get Duncaned on!
How many Duncan Idahos can you need
Better question - How many Duncan Idahos does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
I need another one!
I have to down my Dunc’n every day -Boston Leto (God Emperor to you)
I need 2 Duncan Idahos per every Jan Michael Vincent
All of them.
If I knew then my plan would be spoiled.
It was weird when the sand puppies merged into the worm. It was less weird when thousands of years later they were like… nah, we out.
The weird part is absolutely “a lot of sand puppies biting this dude’s arms at the same time somehow turns them and him into an immortal worm.” With that context, “they stop being a worm by not biting him anymore” makes perfect sense.
That’s not Paul, that’s his son who turns into the worm.
I could swear that he was the one… but also I never even consider reading the books and all my knowledge comes from YT videos and podcasts lol
Sorry but that’s not accurate. It is definitely his son. There’s evidence Paul considers it but Leto II is the one who actually merges with the worms
Read the books, they’re really good!
It’s really getting to me how many people are memeing Paul turning into a worm.
It feels like it’s a fact that was misinterpreted from one of those “7 CRAZY Things that Happen in the DUNE Novels - You’ll never believe number 6!” Videos. But because they haven’t read the books, they assume it must be Paul that worms out because he’s the Main Character, right?
I get the frustration but it’s still funny.
Or maybe people aren’t all stupid, and just make vaguely related dune memes that still are a bit humorous? It’s not like there are movie adaptations of god emperor of dune.
Also, even disregarding God Emperor, the joke still works, the fremen literally worship sandworms
I haven’t seen any of the movies or YT videos, but read the series years ago. Honestly, I forgot until reading this thread that it wasn’t Paul. Are you sure it wasn’t Paul…? I might have to re read. I do remember stopping at that book because I felt like the worming out thing was jumping the shark.
I didn’t overly enjoy book 4 myself but 5 and 6 were better. Opinions on this are quite divided on this though
I’m here to provide the divided opinion: God Emperor of Dune is the best book in the series imho.
:D
Paul’s son is the God Emperor, not Paul. Paul’s reign was actually pretty short, all things considered.
oh same with my dad. He remembered it has paul turned into the worm but no it was his child
Little do people know the real main character of the saga died in the first act of the first book.
He had one death yes, what about second death?
Duncan?
Piter Devries!
Shadout Mapes
Leto II mentioned that Paul also saw the Golden Path, but was too weak to implement it and instead went into the desert as the Preacher. It wasn’t mentioned that worm transformation was required for the Golden Path to succeed, but it gave Leto longevity to oversee it.
What I’m trying to say is that Paul likely thought about transforming into the worm.
So really this should one of those distribution graph memes where most people in the middle are crying saying it was Leto II while the extreme ends (very dumb and very smart) are saying it’s Paul
That meme applies to f’n everything!
My interpretation agrees with you. I suppose it’s possible he only saw the thousands of years of being a tyrant and was rejecting that. But I still think he saw the worm transformation.
Major Dune spoilers:
Isn’t that pretty explicit in Children? Leto II frequently chastises his genetic memory father/actual father for being a coward to afraid to commit to the golden path. Paul saw where the golden path led and couldn’t do it so he becomes the Preacher whereas Leto saw what was needed to guide humanity and thus sacrificed his to become The Tyrant
When the preacher saw leto fused with the sand worms he said something to the effect of “so you’ve chosen that path”. Which more than slightly implies he did see the worm part
Ya Paul didn’t do much cool things because of the time skip
Would you still love me if I was a worm?
“I can control genital temperature.”
“Layla had her orgasm.”
Seriously, Frank and George must’ve been friends at some point (Lucas or R. R. Martin, take your pick, they’re both pervs lol)
It’s not perverted for a woman to have an orgasm.
God Emperor has a lot of super cringey stuff in it. This is imo the worst. In addition to being cringey, it is maybe some of the worst writing I have ever seen.
Basically, Duncan Idaho is climbing this like 3km tall wall for reasons that I won’t get into while Nayla (who is one of Leto II’s weird mutant fanatical female bodyguards/soldiers who he orders to have sex with his enemies/allies for political reasons) gets progressively hornier, saying things like “[if Duncan climbs that wall] I think I’ll have an orgasm”. This goes on for a whole chapter. Like 30+ pages of this iirc. Then Duncan finishes climbing the wall and Hugo and Nebula award winning author Frank Herbert ends this weird horny fanfic of a chapter with “And then Nayla had her orgasm”. The whole thing is ridiculously gratuitous, serves almost no purpose, and drags on in a book that already seriously needed to be edited.
Is that the fourth book? I remember it being a bit shit. Ah, Hwi. A lot of that.
A bit shit? Mate I had many long painful arguments about the quality of God Emperor back in the day on Usenet, alt.something.something.dune, The lengths people went to defend it made me realise it’s not just a bit shit, it’s a lot shit, but maybe, deliberately so.
I once asked my wife if Jason Momoa could make a woman come just by climbing a mountain. They said yes, so I guess he was perfectly cast.
Is it perverted to imagine it and unnecessarily put it into a story though? She wasn’t a real person having an orgasm, Dune is fiction lol
Exactly, like the fictional female orgasm. I’m failing to see the problem.
Have you read the book? It was fuckin weird and didn’t fit. It felt like a teenage boy writing out his fantasy.
Women having orgasms isn’t a problem, that’s not what this was about lmao
This is an absolutely outstanding meme my good fellow hear hear well done and jolly good show what
What if I were a dirty hobo philosopher who shows up unexpected in like 20 years?
Depends, can you see the future?
He can’t even see in front of him
Depends on the amount of mind altering drugs I’m currently on.
I like this template - this might be better than Anakin v Padmé
Anakin and Padme was funny because it was so badly acted, so I think you’re onto something.
A blank template for your duneposting needs (I pulled it from a trailer so the frames don’t quite match, but image quality is better)
Was that really in the books ?
As others said, not Paul. It’s weird as fuck, completely surreal. But it’s the most amazing book I’ve ever read. The transformation is considered weird as fuck by the characters in the book too, but it allows Frank to explore some truly unique and interesting ideas.
I don’t think I will ever again have a literary experience as satisfying as reading that book.
Dune gets weird toward the end. Then each book is progressively weirder and simultaneously awesome.
Don’t think we’ll get anything beyond God Emperor though :/
Villeneuve doesn’t even want to go that far. He plans on stopping once he adapts Messiah as Part 3.
Which is sad, but it’s a good concluding point - Paul is blinded by the Stone Burners, and leaves the crusades to it’s end, and as a fremen follows the fremen tradition of being blind, and leaves into the desert.
But then if he decides nah he wants to answer “what next” would be fantastic too
Not Paul, no. Leto II. on the other hand…
Who are those people i just watched dune 1 a couple of years ago and have aldready forgot most of it the movie was’nt that good
Paul is the dude in the picture, the Duke’s son.
Leto II. isn’t in those movies, he is the son of Paul and appears later in the books.
Also Leto the Second is Pauls second son named Leto not because he’s the second Leto Atreides after Paul’s father just add more confusion
He is technically the second person named Leto Atreides. Paul’s first son was named in the Fremen custom, which lacks surnames.
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You skipped a generation. Let’s wait and see who they cast as Leto II and Ghanima for Children Of Dune… if they get there at all.
Just cast Austin Butler again.
