genuinely curious as to why people choose that brand, are alternatives really that bad?
As I see it:
- you pay for the hardware and software, which is fine, but
- if you want to upgrade the OS, you have to pay once again, but this doesn’t work if your hardware model stops being supported. Why pay for something with a limited life expectancy?
- you cannot get rid of bloatware, only hide it
- software is made specifically to be only compatible within their ecosystem. If you want to build up on existing software and hardware, you either stay in their system and keep paying them or start anew with a freer alternative.
- I find it ridiculous they use fancy names to name even their support staff instead of just calling it support staff. Why make things complicated?
- I don’t understand why they use pentalobe screws instead or regular ones (with a line or a cross section)
Feel free to correct me, I may be misguided.
Only recent Apple product I have is an iPad. Android still isn’t that great when it comes to tablets and doesn’t have many tablet optimized apps. The iPad is nice for drawing using the pencil and Procreate, watching movies and reading the newspaper. I don’t use any of the Apple ecosystem stuff like iCloud etc. Some things are mildly infuriating though, like having no real browser choice (hopefully soon to change).
After having read the title I was gonna say I make my own applesauce and dont use apple jams or jellies. Good thing I read the rest of the post
This, folks, is why people who respect their readers capitalize words.
I wanted to have an easier time when talking to girls and honestly I think it helped a bit
Blue bubble discrimination is real
@vmaziman holy crap I didn’t think of this. I met a girl a few days ago and we’ve been texting back and forth each day. Is this something she’s thinking?? Mother F*** now it’s in my head 😣
iPhone/ipad user here. I also have managed 1000’s of mobile devices for over a decade.
I’ve never paid for an OS upgrade.
Apple supports devices longer than most large android OEMs.
Not much bloatware that I can think of.
Yes, software built for one OS doesn’t usually go to another OS without much issue. If it does it’s because it’s a PWA. Also, I have money.
Who cares what they call their staff?
Flat/Philips head screws are the worst. Nearly anything else is better. Years of working with HP/Compaq, Dell, BlackBerry,super micro,Nortel, Cisco, Ford, Mitsubishi, bmw, Suzuki, Yamaha equipment has made me realize that.
The last paid update was 10.8 Mountain Lion in 2012. It seems it was $30. The last full priced update was 10.5 Leopard for $129 in 2007.
I’ve never bought an apple product in my life, but even my android phone drives me nuts at times…
Android is definitely the lesser of two evils. I fucking hate SAF with a passion. A phone which doesn’t let me have a 20 digit passcode says letting my apps access my Download folder is insecure, and thus, not allowed?
ios has both custom numeric code and custom alphanumeric code options that allow the use of a possibly arbitrarily long numeric or alphanumeric code. idk how long it can be because i’ve never run into a character limit…
Yes, iOS solves that one problem at a cost of 20 more. I have my few gripes with Android (seriously Google, what were you thinking with that 16 character limit?) but it’s certainly no content to iOS. iOS is fine at most simple day to day things but terrible at anything more advanced.
I’m not trying to convince you of anything, just correct some information readers might stumble across.
Enjoy using android.
Huh? You weren’t correcting any misinformation, just providing additional information. No one had said that iOS had a password length limit, just that Android does.
My mistake, I read
Android is definitely the lesser of two evils. I fucking hate SAF with a passion. A phone which doesn’t let me have a 20 digit passcode says letting my apps access my Download folder is insecure, and thus, not allowed?
As talking about ios lol.
My assumption was that android would of course allow the user to let applications do stuff in downloads (maybe just like you) and I don’t know what SAF was.
Til. Thanks!
Because the vast millions (billions) of Apple users don’t give a flying shit. They just want to use what their friends use. It’s that simple.
It’s not about freedom, it’s not about choice, it’s not about bloatware, it’s not even about the cost. It’s simply what are my friends using I don’t want to be left out I’ll do what they do.
I have an iPhone. I was bullied into it by my family and didn’t do enough research, so I didn’t fully understand what was meant by a lot of the above until I experienced it. I was also getting really irritated by Google’s expanding empire of evil and wanted to try something else. But I’ve now realized that there are no good options for smart phones at the moment that are accessible to ordinary people.
In my experience, Apple makes computing products for people who don’t like computing products.
They make computing appliances. And are progressively locking them down more and more.That said, the hardware apart from the anti repair lockouts is fine.
But if you want to make major changes to the look and feel, that is not the apple way. If you want to make basic changes to the hardware configuration, that is not the apple way. An apple product only does what it’s designed for and what they allow it to do. But only for as long as they allow it. Apple was one of the first outside the phone space to push artificial obsolescence heavily. Which MS recently adopted as well.
But to people with very basic needs it’s what they want. Opaque inscrutable slabs with a tightly designed stack that does what they need reliably. They don’t want to have to install an OS or change out hardware. And can live with the bland conformal interface.
There is very little else like it anywhere else, outside of… Maybe something like raspberry pi os. Maybe Microsoft Surface hardware that they’ve had a hard time committing to.
I wish all windows users a very 65 decibel fan noise on opening 3rd chrome tab.
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I think a lot of folks hate Windows and are intimidated by, or don’t want to be inconvenienced by Linux.
I use a hand-me-down Macbook Pro 2012. It’s a fantastic piece of hardware. Especially after I nuked macos and installed Debian.
No specific answer to every bullet point, but here it is. For reference, the last iPhone I owned before my current iPhone 15 was a 4S, so you can say it had been a while. I still like Android very much, and believe in the importance of there being a thing like AOSP, and I have used Android way more than iOS in my life. I used to be big into rooting/ROMs. IMHO, both stock Android and iOS were incredibly lacking as OSes, but Android at least had rooting and ROMs, and it was much less of a hassle to do it with that than iOS. I still fondly remember my bright red Nexus 5 w/ ParanoidAndroid and a sexy grey/black/red theme. Oh, and Xposed tweaks were neat too.
Biggest reason for switching for me was Android Auto. It’s either complete garbage, or my car’s head unit sucks, but I kept getting random disconnects multiple times per drive. Android Auto just stopped, then reconnected, like if I unplugged and replugged the cable. I tried changing cables for a bunch of different low and high quality brands. I cleaned my USB ports, both on the phone and in the car. I tried a wireless AA adapter dongle. I even changed from a Pixel 5 to a 7 and saw no difference. My nephew had the same issue with his Galaxy Flip in my car. Garage tried to resettle all connectors, etc.
Meanwhile, Carplay worked seamlessly on my wife’s iPhone 11. The last straw was when AA dropped as I was semi-lost downtown in foggy rain. From there, the thought process was basically: is there anything I do on my phone or think I may eventually like to do in this phone’s lifetime, that I can’t easily do with an iPhone? Answer was no. I can sign with Signulous for the odd app I want to sideload like emulators, but like 99% of what I actually need and use is on the App Store. Both stock Android and iOS are, for me, usable enough nowadays. Neither are perfect, but they’re fine as is, and so much less hassle lol.
TL;DR, I don’t really care any less or more about either one of the OS, both their UX is compatible with the things I use a phone for, and CarPlay works better than Android Auto for me.
I like Apple’s hardware but their software is not ideal.
I have an M1 Macbook Air that is honestly the best laptop I’ve ever used. I will run this thing until it dies. I’m running Asahi Linux so I don’t even have to deal with MacOS anymore.
As for my smartphone, while I am concerned with privacy and control over my devices… I think privacy is more important. While I do not trust Apple with my privacy, I trust them over a literal advertising company.
What do you like about the macbook?
Well the battery life and cpu is pretty good. Other than that the physical durability is shit. I’m still gonna use my thinkpad
Are you running that natively? I didn’t know it was ready for daily driver use.
I waited for the speaker support. Seems pretty stable in my sample size of one.
They say pioneers take the arrows and the settlers take the land, but in your case sounds like the pioneers get speaker support! Thanks for the update.
I will run this thing until it dies.
Good luck with that. My 2011 MacBook Pro still works. I’m pretty sure it’ll outlive me.
You seem to be very enthusiastic about criticizing apple.
I just own an iPhone so I don’t think I can engage with you with all these critiques. I bought it because at that point in time, it was cheaper than a Samsung. I had concerns about privacy, and it seemed like apple had better control of their App Store and there was less crapware there.
I had tried a custom android rom before this (it must have been around 2013, cyanogenmod) but it was too early in development maybe, and it sucked. It might have been the phone I installed it on. At any rate, I gave up on custom roms for a bit.
My job uses iPhones for an industry specific dispatch software that does not use the cellular network. So I am glad Im familiar with iPhone software, though I wouldn’t have bought one just for this reason. They were using iPods for the software before that, but the iPods didn’t have replaceable batteries and had to be disposed of (which is a shame, they were much smaller)
My iphone is 5-6 years old now, I’ll buy something else when I have to. Probably something I can try lineageOS or whatever the new rom is.
At this point I’m just one more person on the pile but:
I used Android for years because I like open stuff, but iPhones are just straight-up better. There’s all kinds of weird broken stuff on Androids, things that don’t quite work or where the interface separating two parts of the device is a little awkward… my iPhone just does what it’s supposed to do. It’s hard to explain but there’s just a clear difference in the quality level of the software. They seem like they polished it until it was genuinely done, as opposed to just shipping the thing and moving on with something else. Also the photos are better (same thing – they clearly make it a priority). Also the security is much better, weirdly enough. I had to fight with the iPhone for quite a while trying to get a dashcam app, until I finally realized that the issue was that there was absolutely no way for an app to access the camera if it wasn’t the foreground app with the camera light on. Android? Fuckin’-a Mr. App you can watch this person sleeping, just make sure you ask about it when you’re first installed (and then refuse to install if the person says no).
Etc etc.
MacOS computers are pretty similar; good hardware, software isn’t perfect but mostly solid, BSD backend with lots of solid tooling. They just generally are high-quality and reliable.
I think mostly the reason is, they have this weird cultish following that means they can charge a high price for their stuff and don’t face constant pressure to make it a little crappier in hopefully-they-won’t-notice ways to save a buck. So, you pay a little premium but what you get is good.
