screenshot, probably from Ex-Twitter but I saw it on NOSTR, showing a guy saying that training a zoomer to use a PC at work is as difficult as training a boomer, with a reply indicating that there is only one generation that can rotate a PDF and that knowledge dies with us

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      Yes. (not sure if you wanted it actually posted the GS way is kinda long) there are a good 10+ different tools to do it on command line though. Even imagemagick’s “convert” command that does virtually every image format can also rotate a pdf. qpdf, pdftk are very popular too.

      I actually found a thread that lists all the tools I did and even the “gs” command lol https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/394065/command-line-how-do-you-rotate-a-pdf-file-90-degrees

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          You have to set the quality to 100 and density to something high (150 or 300) because it’ll set it to 72ppi and it also has to become before the input file name. It’s like GS and wants virtually every parameter set by you and the defaults are like bare minimum it doesn’t take them from the actual file.

          That being said just use qpdf or pdftk lmao

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    Yep I’ve noticed that too. I get questions like “what is the difference between downloading and installing” from people that are over 18 years old and under 30.

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    True, and Alpha are even worst, most of them never touched a real keyboard, only use 2 thumbs on a phone. Don’t tell them about windows (or/mac/linux) or what is a UI or how to use a mouse and navigate in a OS, they don’t get double click or right click, resize a window, minimize a window (OMG THE WINDOW IS GONE!!!) it’s impressive.

    I have seen a lot of late Z/early Alpha who cannot make some special characters on a keyboard like " or $ or even worst using AltCar. Using Word to write a letter, using keyboard shortcuts, etc. they are completely clueless with computers.

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      A good way to get a feel for how these Alpha kids probably feel is to use something un-Windowsy like RiscOS. I felt similarly helpless

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      Look I don’t doubt you’ve met these people but it’s not everywhere. Here in Australia the kids still learn this at school.

      My daughter is in primary school and they’ve learned to use a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation software etc.

      So they can all use a keyboard and mouse and she’s done some school projects as PowerPoint slideshows.

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      Oh, you mean characters that are actually on the keyboard. I thought you meant stuff like ‘Δ’ or ‘°’

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        I still remember looking up alt codes on the character map.

        I haven’t had to represent degrees in decades, but for some reason I remembered the code being 0961. According to this page it was 0176. What a classic blunder!

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      Me and a classmate were absolutely stunned when we saw this girl typing in her password, and using Caps Lock to do uppercase letters instead of shift. We looked at her like, “WTF are you doing?” And she seriously did not know what the shift button was for.

      I just don’t know how nobody showed or told her this before, and we’re in college…

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      anyone who has never experienced the joy of destroying hardware with a misplaced address access is, at best, translucent. magic blue smoke or bust.

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    Xennials are fascinating to watch navigate through tech hurdles. They have a custom built toolbox built purely through trial and error.

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      As an autodidact xennial, I’ll take that as a compliment.

      DOS, Windows, all the format C:'s in my time, it’s all been trial and error as you say, because there weren’t really anything on the line in the 90s and early 00s.

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        Absolutely a compliment. It took me many months of research to figure out what PC parts to buy in the late '90s. Now you can easily piece something together in a day.

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    And which generation are you from @agraybee the forgotten generation huh?

  • I’ve stopped talking to Zoomers about tech completely. If I try to help, I end up confusing them more, and I don’t like to simply solve shit for them since they start bugging me for every single thing. (I’m also technically a Zoomer, but barely.)

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    just want to add, it’s not the zoomer’s fault. they were intentionally raised in ignorance because its apparently profitable

    fuck the corporations who’ve deliberately turned our living computers into soulless commercial brainwashing surveillance machines

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    One friend of mine told that he read once that kids these days doesn’t even know how to create a folder (or directory), is that true?

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      Do you know how to create a directory on your phone? Lots of kids have never used a desktop/laptop, just phones and tablets.

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        I mean… My Mac M1 doesn’t allow right-click create a new file. 😮‍💨 ! Also, if I recall correctly, there is a similar thing that made me go crazy on Gnome DE.

        Nowadays, people hate to get everything neatly separated in a nice and well ordered directory structure. They throw everything in the same directory and use the find/search function, for what it’s worth.

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      So our IT guy sent a training memo for a task. Step 1, 2, 3, etc. The one step was go to folder /User, then go to folder yourusername. A young guy emailed back " there is no folder called yourusername".

      I explained to IT, some of these people have never navigated a folder structure and don’t realize Yourfoldername is meant to be replaced with their own name.

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      It is true, and I’ve seen it myself. At first I refused to believe, but sadly we’re already at that state.

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    Last night I offered to help my Zoomer classmate torrent Kamen Rider and he told me he was afraid of going to jail.

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    Zoomer in computer science here: I’ve noticed that there are two types of people in my age range, you have the people who are really passionate about technology for the sake of being technology and want to know how things work under the hood (like me) and people who see technology only as a means to accomlish a goal like writing a document, maintaining a social media presence, playing a game, etc, and can’t care less about how it actually works.

    I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the latter, but there can be conflict between the two groups because their priorities are completely different.

    This is not unique to technology and you see this in other fields too. For example, you have the car enthusiasts who do their own oil changes and are constantly tuning up their cars, installing aftermarket mods, etc, and then you have everyone else who see cars as just a way of getting to where they need to go and bring it into the shop when the scary lights on the dashboard appear.

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      To use your car metaphor, there was a time when you basically needed to know how a car worked in order to own/operate one. I’m talking like the 1910s-1920s. They were unreliable, simply made, manual transmission, hand crank start, and needed a lot of maintenance.

      Millennials grew up at a time when you needed to have some understanding of how a computer worked in order to do basically anything.

      I suppose the issue is that the car metaphor breaks down because a vehicle really only does one thing. Push pedal and go. Maybe worry about snow conditions if that affects you.

      Meanwhile, computers can still be used to do thousands of different tasks and the only thread tying all of those tasks together is that they’re done by the same machine. So knowing fundamentals about the machine gives you access to a lot of capability vs. just memorizing how to do a few tasks.

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    Back when computers were a novelty, we had schools dedicated to teaching people how to use them in my country.

    The classes ranged from the most basic stuff, such as how to use a mouse, to more advanced topics, such as how to use the Windows registry.

    We might need to bring these schools back in the near future.

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      If we can get them to teach Linux instead of Windows and tell people - this will run on whatever computer you bring to class