• Troy@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    We (the western world) really needs to deal with Orban eventually. At least when other countries kept re-electing someone (like Merkel), you had the confidence that the system still allowed someone else to be elected and democracy was still working.

    Turkey might be a lost cause.

    Term limits should really be a default position if one is to defend their democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_state_leaders_by_date_of_assumption_of_office – the two NATO members causing issues? Two longest serving heads of state within NATO (excluding ceremonial monarchs).

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      8 months ago

      I blame the fact they built all these institutions with no clause to expel members, or which require total unanimity to do so. They really bought in to the whole “end of history” thing, I guess.

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        Yeah, this is an interesting element. Historically, allowing all members a veto, while also having no way to expel a member, means that any such institution is liable to outside meddling. The classic example is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto – in the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, any noble could veto anything. So all it took was buying a few nobles and it shattered.

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          8 months ago

          Apparently, based on that Wikipedia article, they also ended up making a new version with less strict veto rules, called the confederated sejm, which is where I expect all these Western institutions to go eventually. TIL.

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        8 months ago

        That is an L take. Having a term limit helps increase the difficulty of making political dynasties. It doesn’t make it impossible, but it sure is gonna make it harder for a certain person or group to solidify their power base.

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        8 months ago

        Not really, the difference between two people of the same ideology to fulfill your democratic needs whom one can find in a population of a few million can be very small.

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            8 months ago

            Doesn’t change the fact that banning people from running for election is inherently undemocratic.

            Something being democratic is not the only criterion, because you wouldn’t want your neighbors to vote in favor of collectively owning you as a slave, even if your vote against gets counted.

            It’s just one safety measure - if a politician still would win an election after 8 years (life changes entirely in only 1 year), for example, that’s likely for wrong reasons. Like using administrative resource, pro-government mass media, crooked elites etc.

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      We (the western world) really needs to deal with Orban eventually.

      Incredible display of chauvinism. Cause it’s worked out so well every other time you Westside have stepped in to decide another countries leadership for them. Stfu and stay home before you collapse yet another nation and restart the slave trade there.