Tidal also pays artists significantly more than Spotify/ Apple Music. So they’re good-shittifying in both directions 🙂
A rare instance of… unshittification?
Yeah, like, when services are actually trying to compete for your business. It’s so nice when it (rarely) happens!
Don’t forget that Apple Music also pays significantly more than Spotify. Just not as much as Tidal.
Oh yeah Spotify is definitely the worst in comparison
Interesting, what is this “reverse enshittification” you speak of
De-shittification?
I usually call that flushing
So tidal essentially flushed it’s toilet
Wipe-ification?
Spotify really beats everyone at cricket noises when responding to competitors.
The headline sounded good but the article lists a lot of negatives too. They’re removing discounts for veterans/first responders, they recently laid off 10% of staff, and their price now matches Amazon and Apple. So don’t mistake this for good intention; this is just a business’ survival instincts taking over.
their price now matches Amazon and Apple
That’s a negative?
So don’t mistake this for good intention; this is just a business’ survival instincts taking over.
A business made a business decision, yes. Your point?
Good news for the seven people who use tidal!
I read the email from Tidal four times and still didn’t believe they weren’t trying to fuck me over. Well, I’ll be damned.
As far as I can tell, I’m actually in the vast minority in that I use the service on a family plan and with my DJ gear. Streaming for DJs is being removed from family plans and it now requires me to pay for an individual plan + $9 a month in addition to what I’m already paying for the wife and kids, so I’m thinking about canning it.
Does this mean we’re stuck with MQA? Or can we still forcibly use FLAC. I was on the lower tier purely to avoid MQA.
No, there is what Tidal calls “HiRes FLAC”, which is 24-bit, 192 kHz. Their website does not even mention MQA anymore. They’ve moved away from MQA since early 2023, when the MQA company went bankrupt
Maybe I would consider paying for tidal but as I am pirating YT music thought ReVanced I think I wouldn’t, so good luck anyway.
Not surprised, I was fed up with the cost so setup a new account with a Nigerian VPN, only a few pound per month with that method.
Might switch back to a UK account if they make the price more reasonable here.
I did the same (Nigeria) a few months ago for a family account. They have still to charge me anything for it. And the account is actually working anyway. I don’t know why. I also emailed them about this and they replied that everything is fine on their end… Well, thank you for the free account, Mr. Tidal.
Is there a word for the opposite of enshitification?
Normal and sane.
Deshitification
engoodening
goodshitification
I like Tidal because its interface isn’t downright crap. What Spotify did to playlists and to the heart/cross button is so damn annoying.
I love the change. I have many playlists and it has made my life so much easier organising everything.
How does it work better for you? To me it’s annoying, I cannot easily move folders around anymore, nor move playlists into folders if I’m not using the desktop app.
Also, the + (former ♥️ button) is the worst offender to me. I used to use the button to add a music to my big “liked” default list, the one that is more permanent, and the three dots to add it to a playlist, which are more fluid. So playlists come and go, and not every song on a playlist is the one i want on my definitive pool of “always wanted” songs.
Then someone at Spotify decided to say "fuck you users, and merged the + and three dots, making it harder to now if a song is already in my main “liked” list.
Say I have a playlist I created, the + button is now a ✅ button. It tells me it’s saved somewhere. I have to tap it to see where, which 1. is completely unintuitive, because tapping a check button would create me the expectation of uncheking it, but it instead shows me a list of playlists! What in the freaking hell? This is decades of UI convention thrown out the windows for a really bad concept.
And 2, being checked doesn’t mean it’s my favorite song, just that it is saved on some playlist. It’s a mistery, which is only solved by tapping the schizophrenic +/✅ button, instead of simply saying to me “yep, you liked this song”.
So… Yeah. I hate Spotify.
Also what is the change to playlists? I wasn’t aware Spotify had folders. Did they remove them?
Edit: Nevermind they’re still there. What did they change?
I love it because I never use liked songs (I don’t understand how people do, using the same playlist forever. Do your tastes never change? Idk each to their own).
So it means 1: I can easily add songs to multiple playlists at once. I have 4 different playlists that I listen to, and sometimes a song fits all 4, and it used to take 12 taps to add it to all 4 (tap dots, tap add, tap playlist, 4 times). Now it only takes 6.
2: I can now see if the song is already in a playlist. Before the only way was to try adding it to the playlist and see if it warned me of a duplicate.
3: Now I can see at a glance if it’s added to a playlist. If it’s added to 1 playlist then it’s probably added to all the playlists it needs to be.
And you can still add songs to your liked songs in 1 tap. I feel like the reason most people dont like it is because it’s a change that they aren’t used to.
But really, the ideal solution would’ve been if Spotify just added a settings option to change it back to the old way. But Spotify seems to be vehemently opposed to options.
Also, what’s way worse than the new like button is the stupid “smart shuffle”. I just want to turn off shuffle, but now I have to press it again. And it’s also really buggy, it will often display shuffle as off when it’s really on smart shuffle, so I get unpleasantly surprised with some random song I’ve never heard. I really wish there were third party apps for Spotify, cause the Spotify app kinda sucks
Funny how it is, the smart shuffle is something I actually like because, when I’m in the mood, it brings something new to the table.
Yeah I just wish there was a toggle.
Also didn’t they have a thing like smart shuffle before, it was just called radio. But they seem to have removed it and replaced it with smart shuffle for playlists. I can only see the radio option for albums. That was better, because then it only did it when I wanted it.
I use liked songs exclusively. I mostly use shuffle but I also unlike and like songs that I rediscover in my enormous (≈5000 songs) liked list so the songs end up at the top.
So the songs at the top are the songs that I am listening to currently. If I want something I haven’t heard in a while I just scroll down or use (the suboptimal) shuffle.
Unliking and liking used to be two clicks but now It’s 4 or 6 depending on the song and if it’s in another playlist or not.
I can’t understand why they couldn’t just add two buttons. Modern devices have plenty of screen real estate.
When they tried this last time people got outraged any they rolled back the change. Now Spotify is going ahead anyways.
Are they pretending everyone knows what that is?
By way of advertisement, yes.
I wish it was getting cheaper…I’ve been @ $6.35/month for their CD FLAC quality middle tier, with my veteran discount for a few years.
Has been perfect for my budget HiFi setup.
Now it’s nearly doubling in cost, and they won’t have the discount anymore…
Any variation of “yep, you read that right” makes me instantly not care, idk
It does sound clickbait-y and I guess that’s why there are butthurt people in the comments. I guess its meaning is “literally everyone is raising prices, while Tidal is lowering them”. TBF I also had to read the title again because it’s pretty strange to see prices decrease
Actually this is a good deal. Curation on tidal is good, meaning they have cool playlists handpicked by people. In the past when I used it it was with questionable MQA encoding, which had a lot of controversy. But 24/192khz flac, If you care about audio quality is a better offer than Qobuz.
Can’t go wrong for the price. But I think the main driver should be audio quality. Because FLAC files (esp 24/192khz) can be very data hungry, for those who use it mobile only. So you need to be careful with that. You can use lower sample rates and higher bitrate mp3 as well if my memory serves well. But that defeats a bit the purpose of what Tidal stands for
But 24-bit audio is useless for playback. The difference is literally inaudible. In fact, the application of dynamic range compression during the mixing/mastering process has a far greater impact on perceptible audio quality than sample rate or bitrate does (the placebo effect notwithstanding).
If you care about audio quality, seek out album masters and music that is well-recorded and not dynamically crushed to oblivion. The bitrate isn’t really all that important, in the greater scheme of things.
Anyone who has ever heard a 128kbps mp3 side-by-side with a 320kbps (or really anything above 192kbps in my experience) version can tell you that bitrate definitely matters. The better audio equipment you play it through, the more noticeable it is.
It definitely becomes inaudible at a certain point, but back in my CD ripping days, I’d scoff at anything below 192kbps
Have you ever done an actual double blind listening test? You’d be surprised. Even with good listening equipment it can be very challenging.
Have a go on the 128 kbps AAC test on this page and see how you do:
I have, yes.
That writeup from Xiph is excellent. The comparison with adding ultraviolet and infrared to video makes so much sense. But you’re dealing with audiophiles who seriously consider getting hi-end power and ethernet cables. I read somewhere that there was a listening test with speakers connected with hanger wire - and audiophiles couldn’t tell.
In the end, it’s all physics. I could never hear a quality improvement beyond normal 16bit, 320kbps, no matter how demanding the music.
As a recovering audiophile, I can safely say the hobby is heavily based around FOMO (the nagging doubt that something, somewhere, in your audio chain is causing a loss of audio quality), and digital audio is no exception. Not only is 320kbps more than enough, even with $1000s worth of equipment, but with codecs more efficient than MP3 (especially Opus), even 128kbps can be good enough to sound identical to lossless.
If you have plenty of local storage then 16-bit FLAC is ideal, but if you are just streaming then you really don’t need a lossless service except to keep the FOMO at bay.
I partially agree with you. Yes mixing and mastering is far more important than bitrate. However if I let my gf listen to a identical song both in normal 16/44khz and 24 bit version, she can hear difference. Now is it night and day ? Not always, but subtle Improvement can matter when enjoying music.
Literally the only difference between 16 bit and 24 bit is that the latter has a lower noise floor, which is really only useful for sound production - It doesn’t translate to any increase in meaningful detail or dynamic range when dealing with playback.
16-bit was chosen as the defacto standard for CDs and digital music precisely because it contains more than enough dynamic range for human hearing.
Any difference your gf hears is due to the placebo effect rather than any inherent difference in the actual audio.
Hope this is rolled out to other countries and not just the US.
UK here, also got the email.
Oh nice! Knowing corporations though I’m just trying to figure out how they are going to screw us on this.
I got the email in Canada, so yes? It’s not uncommon for us to not get things when they do across the border.
