As investment, I bought this, instead of stocks. Any ideas on what to do with it?
Location:
- 75km (1hr) to a big international airport. Airport has direct flights to most EU capitals (2-4hr flights)
- 50km to city center
- 25km from nearest large residential area (500,000+ population)
- 5km from massive organized industrial area (government supports factories here)
- 35km from a rich residential area
- 1km away from the village (its old and mostly depopulated) and animal husbandry area
Access:
- There is public transportation, but one has to walk 1.5km after leaving the bus.
- There is no direct road access to the land. You have to walk like 200m after leaving your car.
- 1km road to here is non-asphalt and its a bit bumpy ride. When it rains, it gets bad here. It rains rarely
It is quite peaceful and quiet there. You can hear interesting bird sounds sometimes. You see no buildings, no cars and no humans anywhere near you when you’re there, which feels great imo. You notice the air quality after you leave your car. I personally absolutely would want to live here for a while
Ideas
- Trying to clarify this rn, but I think I can make $120-160/yr/decare from leasing the land to a farmer. Land is 25 decares
- “Unique co-living opportunity with vegan food & yoga sessions” In other words, remote work / digital nomad village for people who want to work REALLY remotely :) I’d have to arrange electricity (solar panels and powerbanks), internet, toilet, shower, water, tents, mattresses/pillows/sheets, food, drinking water. (Though I don’t know what people will do when they’re bored here? Any ideas? Meditation would get boring after some point)
- Sadly location isn’t touristic, but it is 1hr flight away from extremely touristic areas. One of those areas, a city, was the most visited city in the world a few years ago.
- I’ve met a few volunteers and they seemed quite willing to volunteer for whatever I decide to do here (if I do anything). For those unfamiliar: WWOOF and Workaway
Also- Any suggestions on where I should ask this question on the internet?
Is there water access on the property? Potential for drilling a well?
Without a steady source of water, farming is problematic.
It has clearly been used as farmland already. And in most places where farming is common we could traditionally rely on rain, though I guess climate change is making everything funky.
Plant some dang trees for starters, unless it’s only going to be land used for farming.
I vote for the dang trees. I like trees.
Ain’t nobody speaking for them dang trees so lend a hand and give em a voice.
Orchard farming, just add more tree
Even then, dynamic agroforestry would be nice.
At least a wind block on the edges
Plant something ASAP on that naked land or it will all be carried away by rain and wind.
Looks like someone was farming it before, OP should contact them first since they will know about the potential and problems. Maybe make a percentage-of-profits deal rather than a lease. The timing is good for a crop, if they move quickly.
You can still plant something on it, but you have to be fast if you want to harvest it. Alternatively you could plant grass/clove on it and the figure out what to do with the land afterwards.
However, if you want to do a “split profits” deal you have to make sure, that you dont take to much for yourself, because most farmers won’t do this if leasing it is actually cheaper. Also it might be hard to get someone to lease it for a single year and at this time most stuff is already planted which makes it even harder.
Sharecropping is so hot right now
Plant whatever everybody around this area is planting and ASAP. He can think about what to do next year, but not this one.
Yeah I was thinking, what’s in those big green silos? Probably a good option.
If you would like to live there someday I would recommend that as your goal. I would recommend you start doing some research on permaculture which is about building wholly sustainability. Part of this sustainability is financial and piecewise building and investment. So if you want to build and live on this one day you will need the money for it.
So start with leasing the land for at least 1 year to get some cash and for you to better understand where you might want to build a structure and what you need. This allows you to plan and see what part would fit a dwelling the best. This also lets you figure out what you need for this house (i.e. water, electricity, waste removal etc.) as well as figure out how this investment can make money for you. Start small and build modularly. Your dwelling may start on as shack or even a place to set up a tent and grow larger. Same with whatever you end up doing with the land.
Permaculture talks about building food forests which are sustainable year round sources of food, goods or materials. Some of which you can sell or use yourself. These are typically perennial plants, vines and trees which all grow off each other and make a beautiful space. This can be your space for “remote working” either for yourself or visitors.
While planning on starting on this you can continue to lease your land to farmers as you slowly take it over yourself for your bigger vision. This is suppose to be small, slow but sustainable growth to your final vision.
Ideas 1, 2, and 4 could come together with a permaculture food forest/farm. First task would be to cover crop the land to protect from soil loss and start replenishing some nutrients. Then, you have some time to make a good, phased plan of how you’d want to develop it.
Talk to experts and professionals whichever direction you take. They’ll often save you much more than they cost.
Why is the village depopulated, if there’s a huge industrial zone nearby presumably with lots of employees? I was thinking workers might want to buy or rent low cost housing near their workplace if the land is zoned for it and you could get electric and a well, then build some simple small housing. But if they’re not buying in the village, might not be a great idea unless there’s something wrong or lacking with available properties in the village.
Usually people in villages want to move to modern areas. Villages are old, boring, ugly, etc usually
Workers of industrial zone live in residential areas near the industrial zone. You could see that area in the picture below if you zoom
Any zoning issues? May be worth splitting it up, lease some for farming for now, set up a couple of acres for a small utility/living area so you can visit and stay for short periods or permanently so you can get a sense of actually being there… Seasons, smells, sounds, wildlife, infrastructure like roads will all impact what the experience or opportunities actually are and often bday depending on the time of year.
I thought you bought a picture at first
Infungible Plot of Land
I just funged it. You’ll never get me, coppers.
God damnit, Johnson, he keeps funging it! We’ve got to find this guy!
I couldn’t tell you what to do with it but if I move to europe I will work on your commune and help with whatever as long as you’ll have me lol
25 decares is a lot of land, you could have an entire city there. If the land is viable for farming you could allot enough of it to produce whatever you would need to sustain the population of the property, and have the rest of the place developed into living spaces and recreational areas like you said. A sports park, little golf course, botanical gardens, animal sanctuaries. Thats stuff for citizens to do besides meditate.
I mean, this is a real opportunity to create generational prosperity not just for you but for everyone who is involved in building it up. I hope that, whatever happens, you keep it safe from people who would see it turned into more wealthy suburbs or a cash crop operation that kills the soil in a generation.
Good luck to you on your journey and, again, I’d be thrilled to be a part of it
Dude I would homestead the shit out of that. Better be careful or they’ll have a bunch of lemmings (Lemmy nerds?) show up with a trowel and high hopes.
I, too, have used lemmings as a term to describe users here and I think it’s cute and endearing. We can decide as a group once we’re all at this guys property lmao
Dirt farming
Sex shack
Tell you what not to do. I did the same and built an Rv park. Well so far that been a bust. They only work where they’re lots of people. Also farming is an idea but only for your personal use. Farming for profit is a no win game. Depending on where this is located will decide what you can do with it. Also zoning.
Also you can’t make a profit of 2.5ha of land. If you want to do this for a life you need way more. You also need machines, buildings to store stuff and so on. Do not expect to be able to make it into lifetime farming by investing anything less than a million. Probably more depending on the land prices. Also, as you said, farming is a lot of work with very little money to be made. The only way to be profitable is by either planting special crops, diversifying by doing a lot of different stuff or by simply growing to cut costs by utilising machines etc more. Also, without any prior knowledge, this is doomed to fail.
I’d go to jail probably
That’s why you get your cult followers to give you all their money, so you can afford lawyers, they can’t, and the other followers can be readily coerced into placing social pressure on any dissent. This is about YOU, the work is about YOU, everything is about YOU and it always has been.
Who or what are you planning on having sex with?
What happens on the farm, stays on the farm 🫡
Start up a workers cooperative and a collectivized farm, you could also do the digital nomad stuff and make a worker owned digital syndicate. Turn it into a leftist center where theory flows like water and discussion of revolution flows through the air like the songs of the workers >:3
First of all, what the fuck, how are people paying 1.2k lease per nectar and are still able to make a profit of it (this is possible if you plant vegetables, but most farmers dont do vegetables).
Secondly, if you are willing to maybe invest a little bit more I would try to market this as a “DIY” garden. Basically what you do is, plant the field with vegetables, divide the field into smaller sections and then people pay you for having the opportunity to raise and and harvest their own vegetables. Harvest everything you can’t sell by yourself and sell it to your local supermarket.
Pros:
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Lots of cash. If you just charge people like 20$/month for e.g. 50m2 (which is quite a lot) that would come down to 1000$ per month assuming that you are able to rent all sections to other people (which will devinetively not happen). Even if you only rent out 50% its still 500$ per month.
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Not very work intensive. You dont really have to do that much. Just regularly check on the field and care for all parts that are not rented out.
Cons:
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Further investments are needed. You would have to supply the field with water. The best way would be to buy a cheap forklift and some containers, fill them up with water and drive it there. If you already have a car that can tow trailers you could also use that to supply the field.
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High instability: You can’t really calculate how this will work out, because you can realistically only calculate this for this and maybe the next year. This is also highly dependent on how gods you can reach the field.
The field may be a bit off for this concept, but if you manage to market this to the city population (not necessarily the city population, but more of the urban population that live in denser areas) you can make quite a lot of cash of it. I think with the uprise of uncertaintys about the availability of food and maybe declining supply chains this might get more relevant in the future. For this to work I would suggest to start small. Just seed clover on the rest of the field that you dont plan to use. This has the advantage, that you dont loose soil due to erosion, but you also allow the soil to regenerate and ultimatively clover is able to fixate nitrogen in the soil which is OBE of the most important nutrients for growing anything. If you let the clover grow for 2 years it can fixate iirc up to 200kg/N/acre which is quite a lot, bit this really depends on a lot of different factors.
I appreciate your advice
First of all, what the fuck, how are people paying 1.2k lease per nectar and are still able to make a profit of it (this is possible if you plant vegetables, but most farmers dont do vegetables).
I am trying to clarify that atm. In my research, I saw wildly different numbers from $30 to $160 per 1000 m2
Even if you only rent out 50% its still 500$ per month
$20/mo per 50m2 is $5K… which is nice like you said
I would try to market this as a “DIY” garden.
There are actually a lot of projects like that. They unofficially partition the land into 500 m2 parts, arrange water and electricity (some don’t arrange that either), and they sell. Thy call them hobby gardens. Do you happen to know about them?
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There are many people who want food grown in natural environments and where the animals are taken care of. A bit like Clarksons Farm on tv.
Regenerative Agriculture / Permaculture
If you plan to lease out to a farmer, find one that won’t fill it with herbicides and pesticides. And maybe look to only lease part of it while you work to recover other parts.
I’m looking to buy land that needs to be recovered and have the budget that will likely lead me to a place like this that doesn’t have direct road access. Good luck!