A sad day for emulation and open source advocates, and a reminder that Nintendo can and will destroy you if they see fit.
Hopefully their works will live in the saved repos just as ReVanced was able to live on after YouTube shut the original project down.
Each dev kit is $450. Being able to test on an emulator is free. Sure, you ultimately want to test on hardware, but indie dev teams aren’t going to shell out that kind of money for each developer. Who gives a fuck about indie developers though, right?
True, but pretty sure you still need to license the Nintendo SDK to make a game that Nintendo will accept officially, so they’ll still get money off you.
You can use unofficial/open source SDKs for homebrew, though
Ahhh gotcha!
Fuck shitendo. Their games are shit anyway. 🖕🏽
I guess that’s why everyone wants to emulate them, because they suck so bad.
Define everyone
I don’t. I never got the hype. Their games are trash. Their graphics on their switch are trash. Not sure what people like about Nintendo honestly.
Go play your Call of Doody, kid
Lmao. “kid”. Thank you for making me feel young. Much appreciated. I never play COD, btw.
So who is gonna create an anonymous account and fork the repo and website?
Quite reasonable. They don’t want to giveaway stuff free
I mean, you’re right. I don’t agree with the emulators being taken down, it sucks, but it’s hardly surprising that Nintendo, a company known for strictly protecting their copyrights, would go after these projects.
Hopefully other people and projects can pick up the reins, but should always be ready and prepared for another strike like this.
Running their mouths on Discord. Using Patreon to profit from (not) piracy (but everyone knows it is). Reckless display of hubris.
Fuck off Nintendo.
So someone forked the GitHub right?
RIGHT‽
INTERROBANG
Since there’s now legal precedent, and GitHub already has the signatures of the project code, they will simply now close down any fork that matches the code signatures to avoid getting sued by Nintendo as well.
Hopefully someone forked it to a completely different self-hosted GitHub-like instance or the other GitHub alternatives.
It would be better to “git clone” a repo under threat of removal than fork it in Github. That way an entire copy of its history is preserved. It’s possible the forks still exist for now, even if Yuzu removes their official repo, but if Nintendo serves Github the legal paperwork then the forks will get blasted.
That said if someone clones the repo, they probably ought to think twice before putting it back in the cloud without sanitizing / reconstructing the branches & history absent of the bits that got Yuzu into trouble in the first place.
It would be possible to create a dummy “salt” commit and rebase every the branch onto it. The content would effectively be the same, but each commit hash would differ.
@0x0 Why do you think they only check the commit hash?
I don’t? You can apply a similar technique to bust file hashes. Add a new comment to each source file, or whatever.
My point is that automated methods to detect unwanted content will only get GitHub so far. It will have to be fuzzy, and that means it’s an arms race between detectors and obfuscators.
The repository removal was voluntary and done by the Yuzu team. GitHub doesn’t have to do anything and won’t do anything. Even when they receive a DMCA takedown, they only block forks made through GitHub’s “fork” button.
It wasn’t voluntary, it was part of the settlement.
Voluntary from the perspective of GitHub. If it was through a DMCA request, all the forks would be gone with it.
There isn’t a legal precedent. Unless I misunderstood, this is a settlement and settlements aren’t! Legal precedent. Which is why big e.g. pharma likes them, because then they don’t have the legal precedent for the next case.
There’s no legal precedent, it was settled out of court
Court cases shouldn’t be allowed to be settled out of court after a certain point.
Wym? Nintendo formerly filed the lawsuit just a few days ago and then Yuzu rolled right over…
I mean I get it, but if they had 2Mil to settle, they could have fought Nintendo, I know that 2 million wouldn’t have seen them to the end, but im sure an organization like EFF could have assisted from there
how are the signatures build? do they just use a sha hash for checking file identity?
Oh there will be forks across the git-verse. There’s no way there wouldn’t be.
Also does this create precedent? - they settled, its not like it actually went to court.
Here’s a fork of Citra that can connect to the official nintendo network, still avilable now, by the person who made CTGP7 (custom tracks and characters in MarioKart 7), and here’s the one for Yuzu. I think these are gonna be the main forks because they already have quite a lot of activity. It’s cool that Citra and Yuzu were open-source so things like this can be made!
I hope the contributors are anonymous…
If they were anon, they wouldn’t have folded. But the ethical thing to do now is for them to create new anon accounts, fork the repo, and keep doing the good work
I think at least for Yuzu it would be better for devs to rebrand it to keep ninty back a bit.
This fiasco demonstrates why open source is the superior software model.
something something Streisand effect
Yup, the work of Yuzu isnt lost at all. It’s just going to take time to see how that work will be advanced – will Ryujinx absorb the developers and their knowledge or will Yuzu continue?
More people would purchase the games if they weren’t 60€ MSRP each regardless of size and quality.
I used to emulate switch games to test them as a free trial first, then I would buy them in second hand for half the price (which is still a lot, 30€ for a nintendo game versus 14€ for Nichijou volume)
And regardless of age! Their games never go on sale. And they don’t use local pricing (the actual term escapes me rn), so us poors in the 3rd world are stuck paying half a months salary for 7 year old games 🤪
regional pricing is the phrase you are looking for friend!
My already-installed copy of these softwares won’t go anywhere, Nintendo. Get bent.
Where’d they get 2.3 million from?
Patreon?
Yuzu claims to have earned 30k from patreon, where they give their most recent builds with the most bug-fixes & optimizations.
The switch has been out for 7 years. Most they could’ve earned then would be 210k, and even doubling it wouldn’t get close to 2 million
They’ve been earning 30k USD per month according to their patreon page. I’ve read in a comment that they’ve doubled their supporters at the time TOTK was leaked.
Interestingly 30k USD per month over 7 years is 2.5m USD, which is pretty close to the 2.3m USD settlement.
Oh no you right, I misread
Assuming they didn’t use a penny of those 30k and just kept it stored away in their “in case of Nintendo break glass” case
Likely not even close to that amount.
Someone else mentioned in a comment that the LLC behind Yuzu may file for bankruptcy to avoid paying Nintendo anything
Tbh I think they were smart to incorporate. It might have drawn a larger target on their backs (though patreon’s target probably dwarfed it), but it also meant that individually they were financially protected from Nintendo. They’ll probably still have to pay Nintendo whatever their corporation currently has even if they declare bankruptcy, but at least the devs aren’t having their wages garnished until the end of time.
If they do attempt to declare bankruptcy, let’s hope Nintendo doesn’t try and sue them again to pierce the corporate veil.
This is almost word for word what I said in another friend group today. Protecting individuals is literally why LLCs exist. It’s what “LLC” stands for.
Nintendo Hyper Beam’d them into oblivion but they got a Substitute up first. The defense strategy was smart. The strategy that put them in the position of needing to use the defense strategy was idiotic, yes, but the defense was smart.
Short of Nintendo doing nothing at all, this is probably the best outcome that could have realistically happened.
Although it works out for these developers I hate that people can do this to avoid the full consequences of their actions.
I hate this too. But - what if we start using this ability to our advantage, just like these guys did? Corps use it, let’s also abuse it so they can’t destroy us without also waiving their rights. LLCs are the privacy abstraction layer of the real world. I figured that even registering your own personal domain is much safer when done through your own LLC than on your personal name. The examples are many.
Nintendo has too much money anyways
Greed.
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Good bot
Monetising always leads to this. Maybe learn to keep it more lowkey?
