Just found this space, I’m trying to play around with this platform. Can anyone help to explain?
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after lemmy i would definitely check out the products that can explore more of the fediverse, like mbin. it cant interoperate with lemmy and allows intercommunication with the ‘microblog’ side of the fediverse, which lemmy is incapable. https://moist.catsweat.com
I really enjoy the variety and diversity of federation. There are subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences each instance brings. It’s refreshing.
Two things that come to mind:
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Lemmy’s protocol is open, so anybody can make 3rd party apps to work with it. Third party Reddit apps used to be popular when Reddit had an open API, but Reddit destroyed that on purpose.
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Because Lemmy isn’t run by a singular company, you don’t get the same restrictions. Reddit admins had a whole host of rules on what a sub could or could not contain. Many of which were heavy focused on making Reddit more advertiser friendly.
The funniest part of killing 3rd party apps is they cut off a widely used method if collecting more commenting data from the average user. I guess they figured audience style interaction on the official app is worth more.
The official app purportedly has a shit ton of interaction tracking. I can’t find the link anymore, but somebody on HN even claimed what they wanted to track was so invasive that he walked out of a job interview for Reddit.
What I can say for sure is that the new Reddit “shreddit” website is absolutely fucking full of tracking. I reverse engineered it for reasons, and every interaction with UI elements was reported back before the actual interaction was allowed to take place.
They definitely gain more value out of user data from interaction tracking than they do from their comments.
Tracking clicks on links with JS is pretty normal. I always implemented that with Google analytics for my e-commerce sites.
It helps you track things like downloads of files, email links, exit links, etc.
As a former web dev, I know it’s normal industry standard stuff, but it’s really hard to give Reddit the benefit of the doubt here.
Their tracking is completely ingrained in the webcomponent-based SPA itself, beyond what’s reasonable for anonymized analytics. Disabling cookies even broke loading content, despite being logged out.
What did you used to program in?
In a professional capacity, it was React with TypeScript for front-end, Node for backend with Nginx to serve static assets. At the end of the day, it wasn’t really for me. I enjoy web dev for hobby projects, but working with it day after day ruined my intrinsic desire to keep doing it.
Interesting, for point 2, I thought having restriction in subreddit make it harder to advertise?
Oh, there were plenty of ads. You just didn’t recognize them as such.
And for point one, I use Voyager, which was heavily inspired by Apollo for Reddit, so Voyager makes this place feel more like home.
You can also use Voyager on Android! If you squint real hard, you can pretend Apollo finally released on a non-Apple device.
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Steve Huffman isn’t here, so that’s a huge plus.
Steve Huffman? Former moderator of r/jailbait and current CEO of Reddit? That guy?
Self-proclaimed future leader of an apocalyptic survival compound, and obvious Elon wannabe? That Steve Huffman?
Uj/ wait, what?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
steve Huffman, the thirty-three-year-old co-founder and C.E.O. of Reddit, which is valued at six hundred million dollars, was nearsighted until November, 2015, when he arranged to have laser eye surgery. He underwent the procedure not for the sake of convenience or appearance but, rather, for a reason he doesn’t usually talk much about: he hopes that it will improve his odds of surviving a disaster, whether natural or man-made. “If the world ends—and not even if the world ends, but if we have trouble—getting contacts or glasses is going to be a huge pain in the ass,” he told me recently. “Without them, I’m fucked.”
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Huffman has been a frequent attendee at Burning Man, the annual, clothing-optional festival in the Nevada desert, where artists mingle with moguls. He fell in love with one of its core principles, “radical self-reliance,” which he takes to mean “happy to help others, but not wanting to require others.” Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
There are some other funny bits in that article, like Spez having “large blue eyes” and once was a competitive ballroom dancer.
Nah he’s here. It’s the guy downvoting all the anti reddit posts
No, that’s me. I don’t care to see Reddit, Twitter, Threads, etc posts.
It’s kinda cool to go to pretty much any post and go “hey! I know almost everyone in the comment section!”, but that’s a bit of a double edged sword
Some apps (like Boost) even let you add tags to people’s names.
I always get so confused until I remember the context
Interesting, I use boost and didn’t know about that. Like client side tags, neat!
Lol that sounds cool
It can be. Once you get to hyper specific niches, you’ll start seeing communities where it’s more or less only a single person posting, if anyone’s around at all. In more general communities it depends what’s going on. There’s a few people in the memes and shit posting communities who I swear make just about every post that ends up high up on top/day, and are in half the comment sections too. In communities like ask Lemmy it’s usually different people posting, but the same few people replying
Only downside is when you DO finally have an, “Oh, it’s you” moment, you’d better hope they’re not one of the few people doing the posting.
Haha, yeah. Luckily it’s more “Oh, it’s you” and less “Oh, it’s you”. lol
Though I do tend to block trolls very quickly.
Oh, it’s you!
Oh it’s you
Oh, it IS you.
Oh. It’s you.
OH!! ‘tis ye!
R2D2 it is you it is you!
(insert random squeaks)
Oh. It is you.
Jerboa app is amazing
Modlog, able to insert multiple picture/gif in comment without having to use the app, able to talk with people from another platform(like Kbin or mastodon, though limited), no ads, no tracker, animated profile picture, able to turn off downvote, no arbitrary shadowban(or no shadowban), plethora of apps to choose from without forced to use the clunky reddit official app.
It’s been a long time i didn’t touch reddit so that’s what i can remember.
Preventing power tripping mods
I wouldn’t say it prevents them, but it does contain them to their own little fiefdoms.
Beans and jeans!
First you eat the beans. Then you go through the no poop challenge. If the worst comes, you’ll need to wash the jeans.
Fester a cesspool of social justice warriors and armchair generals who talk out of their ass in hopes of provoking some reaction so they can feel important for the day.
This is a very negative comment but also funny. Have upvoted.
Thank you. :) Also true to a degree. There are toxic people everywhere but it seems I’ve been running more often into them lately.
Lemmy is heavily astroturfed. There is no way Lemmy instance admins have the time or resources to do the kind of subversion detection reddit did. That’s if the astroturfers aren’t already running larger Lemmy instances to build them up.
Here is one of many from reddit. Hopefully some OSINT groups start doing research on Lemmy and outing the bot networks that operate here, because it’s election season in the US and it’s showing.
For example, I don’t think the lemmy.world admin has the domain knowledge to detect customized Lemmy docker code that allows a hacking group to hide their accounts from admins/mods and go undetected for a very long time, until it’s noticed on accident.
Interesting. Didn’t know Reddit was vigilant with moderation that much. Thanks for providing insightful information.
It allows anyone to host it themselves and still integrate with each other, which is radically more fair and empowering. It’s a difference in quality.
Somewhere along the way, I learned that for a village to thrive, the creative people (the artisans, the musicians etc) must move in first, they form the roots, then the rest of the village follows them.
The creative people moved from Digg to Reddit. That’s what made Reddit Reddit, not the brand, or the UI, or some genius exec.
The creative people have mass migrated to Lemmy, & hence Lemmy will thrive. How do you know - see where og memes originate. Genius is not the domain of AI, & hence Reddit is Deaddit. We’re now just waiting for the rest to follow.
This makes sense. I wonder if it’s different now, since reddit has became such a big platform.
I’ve yet to see artists migrate here. The artists started on DA, Newgrounds, YT, Tumblr, etc. The professionals moved to Twitter.
Reddit started from geek & tech culture, not creatives. Its ability to foster discussion extended well to not just techies but to everyone. Most creatives I’ve seen shy away from Reddit.
Creative people in the Reddit/Lemmy village are the geeks & intellectuals
Being normal? Reddit has become such a toxic dump lately, Lemmy feels like a walk in the park compared to it.
I have quite the opposite experience.
I’ve seen both very passionate tone deaf communities and very inclusive friendly communities. Steer a course and you might find calmer waters.
These days my Lemmy experience is listing through main page which accumulates god knows what. Even though I do curate a list of desired communities. Perhaps I should start filtering content I interact with.
You can mute specific instances. For example, not saying you should, but if you would happen to find all people from Hexbear insuffurable, you could make that instance disapeaar. Again, I’m not saying this specific community is filled with cocky asshole, but I’m not saying it’s not either. I really can’t as I haven’t seen any of their content since a long time.
Thanks!
Yeah, I got nothing against other people having different political views but that was the first instance I blocked.
If the goal is just better, then moderation is better. Reddit obviously has better/more content, users, etc. But the mods can and do make the whole experience. It could be zero interaction, no problem, or it could be a permanent ban of a subr or the whole ecosystem for no reason and you have zero insight or recourse.
On Lemmy the same can happen and I’m convinced many mods here are just are bad. But there is a public log. You still can’t do anything about it, but it’s something.
Which comes back to the real question. Both suck. The best thing about Lemmy is that I went from using reddit as my only social media for years, to boycotting it and coming here. And it sucks here, so now very little social media presence at all. It works great as a digital detox.
