• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Read my other comment, it absolutely has been tried. If your point is that the relatively few historical examples are a sufficient sampling of data to determine that people sharing tools can never work, then I’m afraid you don’t understand numbers, nor historical analysis.

    You can learn from what has and has not worked, and analyze structures. It’s possible! You just have to do it.

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      8 months ago

      If your point is …

      You know, of course, that the answer to that “if” is usually “no”, and this is called a strawman argument.

      … then I’m afraid …

      No reason to be afraid! Sing and dance and hug your family, friends and house animals.

      … relatively few historical examples … people sharing tools …

      People have been sharing tools since eating less fortunate breeds of people, the optimal architecture of that is the point of contention.

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              8 months ago

              Leaving it open is a valid political position of making efficiency more important than ideology.

              I don’t know which architectures may be invented in the future to work, I’m not against them coming from leftist premises, but I’ve met fewer leftists interested in even imagining them than libertarians or even conservatives.

              When most leftists are too busy with hating on groups of people and thinking about what others own, it’s really hard to talk to them about anything real.

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                8 months ago

                Efficiency is more important than ideology, correct. That’s why I’m a leftist.

                Don’t worry, leftists aren’t hating on groups of people (except fascists), just inefficient and failing systems. It’s the right that hates on groups of people.

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                  8 months ago

                  Leftist ideologies include dogmatic statements. Just like all other ideologies. Otherwise we wouldn’t use the word “ideology” at all.

                  If this were true, you’d say that left ideas are the closest to your expectation of what’s best and that’d be fine, and not call yourself leftist. Now it’s as if you are putting ideology above practice.

                  Which would be the same as me always feeling as if I were lying while, say, saying that I’m a libertarian or a distributist, because I have no permanent attachment to any ideology, just these seem sane now. So I rarely say that and feel bad when I do.

                  Which efficient and not failing systems does your kind of leftists propose?

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                    8 months ago

                    That’s entirely stupid. Ideologies aren’t about dogmatism, but about coherent groups of conclusions based on underlying analysis.

                    It’s pretty telling that you out yourself as a Libertarian though, lmao.

                    I propose worker ownership of the Means of Production.