Yeah but if someone is searching “why is my wife/husband yelling at me,” the statistics on abuse for that sub-popularion may not be as skewed. And providing resources for men (especially men with children) doesn’t take Google that much more effort/money, and it provides a much needed service. As it stands, it is nearly impossible for an abused man (especially one with children) to seek out help using the types of services that are available for women. So if Google can help with that search a little bit, what’s the harm in showing that info? Aaand, even for someone searching about their abusive husband, the googler may be a man, and most services that are for abused women don’t have resources for men.
Key thing: I ran the search, and the second result is the abuse hotline. And the first result also references the hotline in the preamble, but goes on to provide advise geared towards a communication based relationship problem.
They’re not choosing to deny the information to men, they’re highlighting information that has in the past proven most useful to people with queries like this.
Since there are different rates of domestic violence for different groups, different queries will have different “most helpful” results. As long as that’s the case, you’ll be able to find some query that’s on the threshold.
And yet do you really think “why is my husband yelling at me” is more likely an abuse issue than a communications issue? One of the problem ms here is even accepting the different rates of abuse, why is it effectively jumping right to yelling implies abuse? I doubt that statistics would back that up.
Yelling, in this context, is abuse. Full stop. But Google “understands” abuse as physical, and considering that:
Emotional abuse can and often does escalate, and
The power dynamic alone gives men an overwhelming ability to escalate to physical abuse.
In the black and white world of math, that message is more relevant to women than men.
We have got to stop treating faceless corporations and their algorithms as people. They are not people. We have to treat google like an unemotional robot, because at the end of the day that’s exactly what it is.
Look at the divisiveness here… This is rage, not progress.
I think you’re absolutely right on all accounts, and the faster we educate ourselves about these issues the faster we can put enough societal pressure on google to change.
I don’t feel like this kind of meme helps the conversation, though. You don’t even have to look past the comments to see the divisiveness it’s generated.
Yeah but if someone is searching “why is my wife/husband yelling at me,” the statistics on abuse for that sub-popularion may not be as skewed. And providing resources for men (especially men with children) doesn’t take Google that much more effort/money, and it provides a much needed service. As it stands, it is nearly impossible for an abused man (especially one with children) to seek out help using the types of services that are available for women. So if Google can help with that search a little bit, what’s the harm in showing that info? Aaand, even for someone searching about their abusive husband, the googler may be a man, and most services that are for abused women don’t have resources for men.
Key thing: I ran the search, and the second result is the abuse hotline. And the first result also references the hotline in the preamble, but goes on to provide advise geared towards a communication based relationship problem.
They’re not choosing to deny the information to men, they’re highlighting information that has in the past proven most useful to people with queries like this.
Since there are different rates of domestic violence for different groups, different queries will have different “most helpful” results. As long as that’s the case, you’ll be able to find some query that’s on the threshold.
And yet do you really think “why is my husband yelling at me” is more likely an abuse issue than a communications issue? One of the problem ms here is even accepting the different rates of abuse, why is it effectively jumping right to yelling implies abuse? I doubt that statistics would back that up.
Yelling, in this context, is abuse. Full stop. But Google “understands” abuse as physical, and considering that:
Emotional abuse can and often does escalate, and The power dynamic alone gives men an overwhelming ability to escalate to physical abuse.
In the black and white world of math, that message is more relevant to women than men.
We have got to stop treating faceless corporations and their algorithms as people. They are not people. We have to treat google like an unemotional robot, because at the end of the day that’s exactly what it is.
Look at the divisiveness here… This is rage, not progress.
I think you’re absolutely right on all accounts, and the faster we educate ourselves about these issues the faster we can put enough societal pressure on google to change.
I don’t feel like this kind of meme helps the conversation, though. You don’t even have to look past the comments to see the divisiveness it’s generated.