No, they only fucked CentOS, and they made RHEL proprietary last year. Since Ubuntu’s decline, Fedora basically took it’s place. It’s very stable but not extremely outdated, has great security, always supports the newest technologies like Flatpak, Wayland, Pipewire, etc., has good Desktop spins and constantly innovates. The next Fedora KDE release will even completely drop support for X11, which is a good step because it forces developers to adopt Wayland. They also have pretty good immutable spins like Silverblue, Kinoite and others. Other cool distros like Nobara and uBlue are also built on top of Fedora.
I think there are a few GNU extremist distros that don’t package drivers with blobs. They don’t even boot on some CPUs if your motherboard hasn’t had the necessary microcode patches, lots of hardware simply doesn’t work (WiFi, Bluetooth, sound, sometimes even ethernet), but they’re fully open.
I have no idea how Linux-Libre is doing. I think Guix also had a Linux distro that refuses blobs by default. Most reviews end with “the WiFi doesn’t work but it was nice experiment”, it seems.
@Dehydrated this is my pet peeve everytime i try to discuss anything about linux someone interrupts me about how SOME COMPONENT is proprietary
like yeah, the keyboard on the laptop is proprietary, so are all the ICs, come on…
All the hardware is proprietary. The CPU, the ME in the CPU, the chipset on the mainboard, the BIOS, the RAM and SSD controllers, the TPM and everything else. Even the damn battery controller hardware and software are proprietary. It really doesn’t matter though.
@Dehydrated the car i drive to work is entirely proprietary!
but yeah, open source is awesome but not using something useful/good because of its license is just kinda shooting yourself in the foot IMO
I mean we have a monolithic kernel, with every single line of code running as root, that contains proprietary garbage. Thats even worse than Windows if you ask me, where you can see the drivers processes, which means they are seperate processes.
I will soon compile my own kernel, because I dont really feel good with running such a bloated piece of bad code on my standard intel laptop.
For approximately twenty years, Red Hat (now a fully owned subsidiary of IBM) has experimented with building a business model for operating system deployment and distribution that looks, feels, and acts like a proprietary one, but nonetheless complies with the GPL and other standard copyleft terms.
Obviously they comply with the GPL, otherwise they would get sued. But Red Hat acts exactly like a proprietary software company. That’s what the quote is trying to say.
No, they only fucked CentOS, and they made RHEL proprietary last year. Since Ubuntu’s decline, Fedora basically took it’s place. It’s very stable but not extremely outdated, has great security, always supports the newest technologies like Flatpak, Wayland, Pipewire, etc., has good Desktop spins and constantly innovates. The next Fedora KDE release will even completely drop support for X11, which is a good step because it forces developers to adopt Wayland. They also have pretty good immutable spins like Silverblue, Kinoite and others. Other cool distros like Nobara and uBlue are also built on top of Fedora.
@Dehydrated but something something proprietary! waa!
/s
I know that it’s a joke, but find me a distro that doesn’t include any proprietary blobs.
I think there are a few GNU extremist distros that don’t package drivers with blobs. They don’t even boot on some CPUs if your motherboard hasn’t had the necessary microcode patches, lots of hardware simply doesn’t work (WiFi, Bluetooth, sound, sometimes even ethernet), but they’re fully open.
I have no idea how Linux-Libre is doing. I think Guix also had a Linux distro that refuses blobs by default. Most reviews end with “the WiFi doesn’t work but it was nice experiment”, it seems.
You mean besides Fedora?
No, because Fedora DOES include proprietary blobs (for a good reason)
Really? Which ones?
Intel/AMD CPU microcode
Wait, you object to their feely-distributable firmware updates? Seriously? Without those, your CPU is vulnerable to exploits and known hacks.
Did you read my previous comment? I spscifically said:
@Dehydrated this is my pet peeve everytime i try to discuss anything about linux someone interrupts me about how SOME COMPONENT is proprietary
like yeah, the keyboard on the laptop is proprietary, so are all the ICs, come on…
All the hardware is proprietary. The CPU, the ME in the CPU, the chipset on the mainboard, the BIOS, the RAM and SSD controllers, the TPM and everything else. Even the damn battery controller hardware and software are proprietary. It really doesn’t matter though.
@Dehydrated the car i drive to work is entirely proprietary!
but yeah, open source is awesome but not using something useful/good because of its license is just kinda shooting yourself in the foot IMO
exactly
It sucks a lot.
It’s not that big of a deal
I mean we have a monolithic kernel, with every single line of code running as root, that contains proprietary garbage. Thats even worse than Windows if you ask me, where you can see the drivers processes, which means they are seperate processes.
I will soon compile my own kernel, because I dont really feel good with running such a bloated piece of bad code on my standard intel laptop.
Its not really proprietary. Developers get the code, and everyone that gets the binaries also gets the code. Thats GPL compliant.
Devs get the code but can’t redistribute it, so it’s proprietary code
They can look at it and change it, so it is not secret.
To quote Software Freedom Conservancy:
To quote both of you “nevertheless complies with the GPL and other standard copyleft terms”.
Were you trying to prove his point?
As shocking as this might be, I think he’s agreeing, and offering supplimentary proof
Obviously they comply with the GPL, otherwise they would get sued. But Red Hat acts exactly like a proprietary software company. That’s what the quote is trying to say.