TL;DR: Loops is doomed because Daniel Supernault doesn’t actually want to develop it or release the source code properly.
I’ll try to provide evidence where I can, but a lot of evidence was destroyed via bans from the Discord, so I can’t retrieve my messages, and All I have are files I saved on my hard drive and mastodon links.
How I Got Involved I got into Loops because of the TikTok ban scare and wanted to help develop a non-corporate fediverse alternative to TikTok and YouTube Shorts. I signed up, made two accounts (wasn’t sure why I couldn’t log in), and got approved after two days.
Once I had an account, I downloaded the Android APK and joined the Discord. I introduced myself as someone who wanted to help and mentioned that I had tried (and failed) to make a Fediverse app before. I was interested in seeing where Loops would go. For about 12 days, I made videos for Loops, making sure there was consistent content so the platform didn’t go 10 minutes without something new. I also helped in Discord, answering questions about account activations and discussing how Loops could become a major part of the Fediverse (which, as of 2/16/2025, it still isn’t). I thought if Loops could launch before the next TikTok scare, it had a real shot.
I Start Asking Questions After 12 days of making content and being active in Discord, I was getting bored. I wanted to figure out why there weren’t any real developments. I knew Daniel had promised on Discord that Loops would be open-source “by the weekend” (this was 12 days ago). To me, that meant publishing the source code. So, I made a video calling him out (archived here: dalek.zone/w/jUUYe11xDvjz15ZRAxQuy7) and posted it on Discord. A few minutes later, Daniel deleted the link and removed the video from Loops. His only response was, “Misinformation is not appreciated”—with no further context.
To me, this reaction was suspicious. He didn’t explain why he hadn’t released the source code. He didn’t ignore it either, which I interpreted him as being guarded.
Getting Banned from the Discord After Daniel’s reaction, I started wondering if Loops was a waste of my time. Was anything actually happening? I tried decompiling the Android APK to see what was inside but couldn’t get it to recompile. I thought about forking the Loops GitHub with the decompiled source and posting it in GitHub as a fork—but I didn’t even need to. Instead, I asked why Loops wasn’t just a PeerTube instance, since PeerTube already worked on short formed video content with a tik Tok like interface. I even made another video about it: dalek.zone/w/fVW4GbW79bBpiyLrDGJBBa. The last thing that happened before my ban was me asking if anyone was actually doing work on Loops. Instead of answering, they flipped the question back on me. I replied, “Yes, I am decompiling the source code so we can do work.” after, Discord glitched, the Loops server disappeared, and I was locked out. My Loops account was also deleted. This made it clear: Daniel didn’t want me questioning loops or suggesting that PeerTube could do the job better.
Calling Him Out on Mastodon After my ban on discord, I did more research on Daniel and kept calling him out on Mastodon as a warning to others. Eventually, he did publish a “source code” for Loops. Just to spite him, I thanked Michael Downey (mastodon.social/@Cattail/113932221184535082) for pushing him to release it by asking him a question. But two hours later, I pointed out that the APK and the published source code didn’t match: (mastodon.social/@Cattail/113932308245134257).
Conclusion I’m glad I did what I did because it saved me from wasting more time on Loops. Instead, I built a bot that announces when Fediverse streamers go live on Mastodon, which actually helps the community. Daniel is asking for money that would be better spent on PeerTube development or maintaining existing Fediverse instances. Daniel is deceiving people, pretending Loops is making progress when it’s really just a rehash of Pixelfed. His Kickstarter has no deadline and only vague updates. If you still want to support him, that’s on you. I’ve seen enough.
Links & Receipts Official “source code”: github.com/joinloops/loops-app Loops development mention from 2020: mastodon.social/@pixelfed/104618452882003745?utm_source=perplexity Kickstarter: kickstarter.com/projects/pixelfed/pixelfed-foundation-2024-real-ethical-social-networks/comments
Links & Receipts Official “source code”: GitHub Loops development mention from 2020: Mastodon Kickstarter: Pixelfed Foundation 2024
Don’t tell anyone but I’m stress testing lenmy from a technical perspective and social engineering perspective. I can share that crosspost Post from a bank user to a comm they’re banned on. That definitely the thing that needs to be patched. The rest I’m gonna wait to publish
Just FYI, I just finished editing the comment
That sounds like that’s how it should work. The user is banned, not the user’s content. It’s up to the community to decide whether or not you reposting the banned user’s content is valid or not through votes and reports.
For example, say that I’m banned on a specific community that has a sister community on a separate instance. So I post to the sister community on the other instance and then somebody reposts my post to the sister community on the first instance.
I’m not being facetious here when I say I literally cannot understand, fathom or comprehend the logic behind this comment.
The whole purpose of a ban is to either prevent that users content from appearing in the community because it violates the rules or to punish a user for violating the rules.
If you’re allowing a post of theirs to be reposted back into the community they were banned from then either you’re posting content that belong either or the content does belong but that user was banned as a punishment for their behavior. In that case you’re just allowing them to side-step that punishment.
Not mention this entire project just flies in the face of the moderators of that community and removes authority from them. Their one recourse is to be able to ban you. What moderator with a single braincell would say “Yes, let’s give another avenue to bypass the last option we have when dealing with problematic users.”
This is insanity.
Insanity is posting a video you found on subreddit1 to subReddit2 and being accused of being an alt account of a banned user for posting content that the banned user you have no interaction with posted. Then being banned for ban evasion. Thats the outcome of what your advocating for here. It’s authoritarian petty and disgusting.
It comes down to why the user is banned. If it’s for their comments then it’s mostly fine, but if it’s their post are problematic on the comm, like more borderline or it upseta big chunk of the comm, then it will become a pain in the ass for moderators.
I’m thinking the original account can post the “around the comm” till it gets into the comm