More 128TB SSDs are coming as almost no one noticed this launch — another SSD controller that can support up to 128TB appeared paving the way for HDD-beating capacities::Phison quietly revealed an updated X2 SSD platform at CES

  • randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 months ago

    That’s some nice density you got there. While you’re at it…

    Can I get a 12.8TB drive 1/10th the physical size (m.2 2230) and has a steady transfer rate of 2.4GBs that costs <$200 dollhairs? Pretty please 🙏

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      9 months ago

      Unless you’re using a NUC or similar, M.2 is the worst form factor - and consumer grade drives are all shit. If you’re in the market for storage I’d recommend looking at used enterprise U.2 drives in the 0.5-1 DWPD range. Adapters (PCIe or M.2 to U.2) are super cheap.

      Edit: 12.8TB is gonna be a stretch, obviously, but even Solidigm TLC drives are quite a bit better than any consumer grade drives and I’ve seen some of the 7TB models go for surprisingly cheap.

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      9 months ago

      These are not intended for you anyways. They are designed for servers.

      It’s still interesting though and server hardware eventually makes it way down to normal people.

      • n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
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        9 months ago

        Whatcha talking bout? There are many ads for 128 Tb drive on TEMU and Ali Express! Like for cereal man, they show proper sizes and everything!

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        /s if ya didn’t get it

  • db2@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    as almost no one noticed this launch

    That’s because we’re having trouble just getting food. A shiny new and expensive SSD isn’t even on the list at this point.

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    9 months ago

    Realistically, a couple of 10TB drives would have me covered for like a decade at least. If these massive drives bring down the price of much smaller ones, I’m a happy boy.

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    9 months ago

    That’s cool and all, but the only reason I would want that capacity is to store stuff that I would want to store for much longer than a lifespan of an SSD. Only HDD’s have that kind of lifespan. Like a gigantic video library/archive. I guess these aren’t for me.

    But if they drive down the price of high capacity, HDDs, all the better. 

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      9 months ago

      HDDs typically don’t last as long as SSDs due to their mechanics failing. Data is there but it just won’t spin. I’ve yet to have an SSD actually fail. Every HDD I’ve ever owned, save one, has.

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        9 months ago

        This has not been my experience at all, nor is what I know from general knowledge— that, due to rewriting, SSDs become unusable within 3-5 years, whereas the typical lifespan of an enterprise HDD is 5-7 years, perhaps longer.

        In my own use, SSDs of mine seem to crap out around 5-ish years, whereas HDDs get 7+, and the $/GB ratio makes it a no-brainer, esp for video library/archive storage where it’s mostly read/write no rewrite and long-term storage with no need for very high-speed access (like for editing 4/8K).

        I buy enterprise HDDs that never spin down and last forever— they use more power, but I don’t pay for that. SSDs wear out just by reading and writing and become unreadable over time.

        If I were editing giant chunks of video in 8K, and needed enormously fast cache rates and transfer speeds over thunderbolt 4, obviously, I’d go with the SSDs, especially if I had a studio I was working for that could afford to replace them when they were out. But that’s not my use case.

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      9 months ago

      It’s not for you. It’s for enterprises, but I can drive down the prices of shit you would use. No noise, better performance, less energy; it’s a win-win.

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      9 months ago

      Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I remember that SSDs lifespan mainly depends on how much you overwrite the drive. For 128TB, it should take you a very long time to overwrite the entire drive, let alone couple hundred or thousand times to kill the drive. I know that bit rot also happens on SSDs, but that applies to HDDs as well, and good drive maintenance practices should alleviate the issue. Though for archival purposes/cold storage, tape drives are probably better.

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        9 months ago

        Really depends on the content, type of use, architecture, and the file system. You’re not wrong, some situations would take centuries to wear this guy out.

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        9 months ago

        The lifespan of your data isn’t nearly as long as the lifespan of the cells storing your data. Due to leakage of of power from the cells, and the more and more dense these cells are being packed (leading to smaller differences between what voltage maps to what binary value), SSDs have issues with bitrot. With a disk this size you would need to have data regularly checked and refreshed (rewritten) to ensure the data being stored was still correct and not corrupted.

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          9 months ago

          All storage has issues with bit rot. There haven’t been any studies to show that SSD is disproportionately affected.

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              9 months ago

              There’s a caveat there. We’ve had some new tech in SSDs come out very recently, new enough not to be in those charts will still have to see.

            • Plopp@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              When bits of data on a storage medium goes bad for seemingly no reason. If you’ve ever had a library of files and all of a sudden there’s a file that won’t open even though you haven’t touched it.

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        9 months ago

        If they are loading the drive up with media for archival purposes how much overwriting are they going to be doing, anyways? Theoretically the drive should last a very long time for that purpose.

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          Right, but if the point isn’t for the drive to be actively used, and instead just hold data for archiving, then there’s little reason to spend more money to get an SDD for that purpose when an HDD will hold that data just as well and for much cheaper.

          The benefits of SSD over HDD are almost entirely in performance, so if SSD can develop further to provide a tangible benefit over HDD for long term storage, and do it for cheaper, then we can fully move away from it. But I don’t think we’re quite there yet.

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        9 months ago

        SSD lifespan is expressed in terabytes written (TBW), wherein yeah they can sustain so many writes to the flash chips before they can’t anymore.

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    9 months ago

    My laptop has a 256GB SSD, and even this still feels plenty to me. Not sure what I’d even do with 500 times that much space.

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        9 months ago

        My steam deck typically has one big game installed at a time. At this point, I just want to finish baldurs gate 3 so I can delete it and put on some other games.

    • Eager Eagle@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      that’s for enterprise use; also plenty of uses in a data-driven world to run predictive models on.

    • Illecors@lemmy.cafe
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      9 months ago

      Simple things. Lemmy, for instance, has grown to ~60GB since June las year. And that’s just the db and federated media since I don’t really havr any uploads. The big instancea are easily into the hundreds od gigs - I know lemmy.ca had over 300GB of media alone last autumn.

      On a more consumer level - high quality 4k media eats up storage pretty fast. The phones taking pictures and video in higher and higher quality - space requirements will only ever go up.

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          9 months ago

          Sort of. If you check the url of thumbnail images - they’ll all be from your local instance.

          Some images are also federated. Take this post, for example. The link is to lemmy.world, but the thumbnail and image itself are served by lemmy.cafe.

          I’ve never really delved into what exactly decides whether to federate a particular bit of content or not, but there’s definitely more than just text being stored.

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            9 months ago

            Curious. That was not the case when I started using lemmy. It was page after page of thumbnails served by remote instances, showing up as empty frames since I block off-site media.

            Since you mentioned it, though, I just checked: some of the images from remote posts are now showing up, hosted by my local instance.

            This is an encouraging trend for users who care about privacy (and admins who don’t want their servers bearing the load of remote users). I wonder if it’s a configuration change that makes the difference, or a new feature in recent lemmy versions.

            • Illecors@lemmy.cafe
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              9 months ago

              I know sdf had issues with media storage before, but that was late last year/early this one. There’s noy been an update to lemmy in the week that you’ve joined.

              Also - welcome aboard!

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    9 months ago

    That’s cool and all. How many levels per cell? Can I have it in SLC? No? Ok then I’m good.