Anonymous: Trump is making America weaker and we’ll exploit it. The international hacker community is preparing to strike against U.S. infrastructure and calls for public awareness against incoming fascism
Can they do something useful like destroy the debt infrastructure and delete all student loans and medical bills?
A more useful thing would be to do as much damage to Twitter as possible. In fact, why they haven’t attacked Twitter while Musk has been disarming all of its safety protocols is fucking beyond me.
Attacking twitter would be more useful than deleting all debt? I mean go wild, take that shit ass site down but if you had a “delete twitter” button and a “delete all debt” button, mashing the second one would make you the greatest hero who ever lived.
You’re right, What if they publish cheat codes for all Steam games, thus freeing humanity from corporate exploitation???!!!
Is such a utopia possible?
If enough freedom fighters have the guts to post enough memes, there’s no limit to what we can achieve.
Debt is monitored/store by many different companies
Even if you took down all data of x health insurance company it would still exist in other places
So I would say that it poses a bigger challenge and you would have to do it at roughly the same time
Sure. Yeah its very hypothetical and silly. As if the Banks that manage national and international money supplies, since most of their managed assets are debt, haven’t thought of it? So no such button exists, whereas there might be a delete twitter button somewhere or one could be rigged up 👀
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Or fight club
Anonymous tends to not do useful things. They just talk a lot.
mostly they are spending hours scrolling through social media accounts of certain types of people looking for dox materials. that’s really about it
“Anonymous” isn’t like a formal group. The entire point is that anyone can say that they are anonymous. So yeah, people talk a lot. You can do whatever you like as anonymous.
I’m sure backups and redundancies are “inefficient” since “everything is in the cloud, anyway”.
I will believe it when I see it this is likely just talk.
Do it, attack America’s life points directly.
No, my Blue Eyes White Aryan!
Anonymous is going to attack the American people’s infrastructure?
No, they are going to talk a bunch then so nothing. It’s their whole thing.
Well I hope they choose their targets right, otherwise it’ll just make everything worse.
That’s kind of inevitable right now. The most important thing is making sure Trump and the GOP get the blame. Well, them or Russia.
Actually, the best targets aren’t the government. It’s big business.
That’s gonna be a big ask. Republicans don’t even get the blame for the things they do themselves. Oligarch propaganda is everywhere and pernicious, look at how the average working class American has accepted the notion that low level bureaucrats are the reason they’re poor.
They’ll blame it on Obama, Hillary, Biden, communism, LGBTQ, Black people, immigrants, etc.
They never take the blame - there’s always an ‘other’ to demonize.
The newest dog whistle is simply DEI. They managed to snuggly clump all their racism, homophobia and misogyny into a single acronym.
DEI
Donald, Eric and Ivana?
Very true and annoyed at myself for forgetting. Thanks for reminding me.
Under facism dog whistles quickly become crimes
Exploit it you say? Please get in line behind the russians, the chinese snd pretty much all arab countries
What did we do? As if our governments aren’t US vassals? Yet you still demonize us. If Arab governments had any sway our governments wouldn’t be paying tributes and forced to normalize with Israel and host US troops.
The Saudis did not give the Jared billions for nothing. Just remember, the Saudis and Israelis told Bush to invade Iraq and next up is Iran with Putin’s Sock Puppet in charge. It will be a massive cluster fuck.
Leaders in the region fear that the US will turn their countries into another Iraq so they pay up. Don’t confuse tributes for bribes.
Saudi Arabia opposed the invasion of Iraq. It was Netanyahu that went to congress and sold the war to them.
Saudi Arabia’s Steadfast Opposition to the Invasion of Iraq
https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2023/03/17/iraq-saudi-arabia-saddam-hussein/
Crap, I should have typed the 1st Gulf War and Bush Sr. You are correct about the 2nd invasion, the Saudis did not want Iraq fractured and the Shite’s gaining power through Iran.
In the first Gulf War it was out of necessity. Iraqi troops invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khafji
Even today, other than wealth, Saudi Arabia is a much smaller country than Iraq with half its population -Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-. In 1991 Iraq was much stronger, and much more self sufficient, it could have taken Saudi Arabia in days if it weren’t for the coalition forces.
-Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-.
That’s not inflated, they’re still part of the population…
Maybe they don’t count temporary residents like students and foreign worker permit holders?
Also can they likely can’t be drafted / join their army?
You say that as if Iran hasn’t been financing uprisings, Turkey isn’t openly affectionate with multiple opposing world powers, and as if Afghanistan didn’t fall into chaos literally as the USA were leaving.
Iran, for one example, is a prolific cybersecurity adversary of the USA. One of the top four advesaries alongside China, North Korea and Russia. In fact, Iran is believed to be responsible for disclosing a CIA covert channel to China which led to a critical dismantling of CIA assets. I don’t know as much about other Arab states because Iran is most famous for its advanced cyber-warfare capabilities, but honestly, to avoid exploiting the USA would be very foolish.
Obviously this goes both ways. Israel and the USA are infamous for Stuxnet, a computer virus which reportedly destroyed a fifth of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges in the early 2000s.
I just want to confirm that you know that Iranians are not Arabs. Linguistically they are closer to Europeans and Indians.
Next time a blonde haired blue eyed British man named Lawrence comes asking you to rebel against the Ottomans you’ll think twice, huh
There were legitimate grievances, but most Arabs did not rebel against the Ottomans. In fact many more died fighting for it. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/1/14/the-forgotten-arabs-of-gallipoli
Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know
Saudi Arabia is allegedly spying on Saudis abroad including in the US. Specifically government critics on social media. Saudi Arabia allegedly spied on its citizens in the US through a network flaw
This is bad and probably violates US laws. But it wasn’t targeting the US or US citizens. Meanwhile, Israel is targeting the US and US citizens: Israel Has Long Spied on U.S., Say Officials
Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know
Dude, America has spied on even its allies. The bar is pretty low, here.
What makes you think Anonymous isn’t filled with the russians, chinese, and pretty much all arab countries?
If it’s not card carrying white republicans hacking America, we’re going to have a problem with it.
Yes, that’s how exploiting works in those videos.
Don’t forget the billionaires too.
If they actually gave a shit about spreading awareness, they’d find a way to get that video on Fox News, OANN, etc
V for vendetta shit
“America is becoming fascist” makes me cringe.
It cannon become something that it has been for a long time. US was fascist under Clinton, Bush, Obama, first Trump admin, Biden and it keeps on the same track now. It’s less than useless rallying cry when US foreing policy alone in the past 70 years is a realworld example of the thought experiment of “what would have happened if nazi-germany had won WW2”. Genocide, war, coup, and dictatorship galore committed by the United States, especially after the 80s.
In the end what this narrative is about is that precarious middle class liberals fear that even more of the practices that US has been spreading around the world are now coming home and now the US government will gut it’s own people instead of some foreigners. Even this isn’t unprecedented and at worst Trump can only make things worse for some, but for many what they fear is already reality.
Makes me really think if this “Anonymous cell” has any real grass-roots basis or if it’s just the same coup-mongers hiding behind thin leftist veneer to just jump against Trump, who they see as destructive loose cannon to their operations, not as an real opponent. Nothing new for Anonymous name being used in this way btw. Where were they under Biden?
Don’t bother with this troll. They are a fake account made a day ago to rile decent.
To the indigenous people, the US has always been fascist.
Anonymous is bored again? Oh, okay.
Exploit it? The EU thinks they can exploit the chaos? What are they going to do, give us universal health care, a strong safety net, consumer protections, renewable energy and TRAINNNNNNSSSSSSS? (Please, oh please)
Anything supposedly said by “Anonymous” as a hacker group should always be treated with immense skepticism.
There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops, and also semi-legitimate “outlets” for their statements… but there’s also an overwhelming amount of smokescreen bullshit “anon news outlets” and little script kiddies running around. It’s important/intentional that those continue existing as smoke screen for the more “serious” factions.
Beyond that, being an anonymous group with no real methods of confirming membership to outsiders (insiders can just check if you’re in the private IRCs and etc) it means that just about anyone and everyone can make some big declaration like this. The proof will be in the results, not some announcement that could be made by a rando.
No matter who is really making these threats/warnings, I think things are going to get pretty dire in the US government IT space. It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security, and now you have a bunch of young adult tech-bros with no true accountability running roughshod over all of it. Then there’s the fact that more than one of them have “serious black hat hacker” backgrounds.
Going to be one wild ride.
Yeah. I’ve only spent a few moments skimming through the linked article but if you were part of a legitimate hacktivism group planning a significant operation why would you publish this statement ?
It’s really just spooky hyperbole - as though written by an adolescent that want’s to sound scary and powerful.
I would absolutely love to see hacktivists cause some chaos, and maybe even some real financial harm.
The whole point is to being attention to the rise of fascism. Hacking without releasing a statement like this is just terrorism. Releasing a statement after hacking can make it easier for the govt to cover up, like “no we weren’t hacked, someone in our server room just accidentally tripped over a power cable”
I don’t know about government overall, but the military and HHS have has some of the most stringent security stances I’ve encountered. To the point where just working for them was a massive chore. (How effective they were I guess I don’t know, but working for them sucked.)
That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.
I once answered a phone call inside a com closet on base. Military IT was already escorting me. Security came because the cameras in the closet detected the camera on my phone. It’s definitely physically tight security.
I had to help the SSA implement SAML authentication once and they weren’t even allowed to share their screen so I could see what they were doing. Totally agree that it’s a massive chore.
Often, ridiculous and onerous procedural security is hiding massively incompetent actual software security or is used to constrain people from discovering security by obscurity holes. Everything I’ve done in government interfacing as a vendor would seem to confirm this, at least back when I was doing it a few years ago. You’d be hard pressed to convince me it’s changed much since.
That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.
I mean, it’s not a secret that governments everywhere run really outdated software (think things like Windows 7 and older) because “it works”, so it really shouldn’t be too surprising.
little script kiddies running around
Yeah, they’re running around the Treasury Dept right now.
It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security
Having worked with government agencies and a lot of large private organizations the thing that keeps them mostly secure is the amount of red tape involved with things. Patching a production system requires a teleconference with at least five different people and no one person knows everything.
The idiots without any security experience coming in to “streamline” things will just make the systems even more fragile and insecure.
Known and vetted systems are always the most secure. Until RSA is broken, and then they’ll need to update to a quantum resilient standard. Which we’ve had in the wild for 6 years already and the NIST has officially approved for 2 years.
We’re still at least a decade away from a machine with enough qbits to do it. So i feel like we should be fine.
It’s the fucking Credit Bureaus, Telecoms, and Energy Companies I worry about. They keep fucking up.
Anyone who complies with the NIST standards is in a good place.
The problem is that a lot of places are not in compliance with NIST standards.
I know, I’ve helped patch them.
Yep, but we’ve got at least a decade to do it, and when new systems are stood up they “should” be in compliance.
Based on my experience if we say it needs done in a decade it will never be done.
See also: All the unemployment systems running on FORTRAN
FORTRAN could be said to be security through obscurity though /s
It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs
I’ve seen Muni and Regional gov and also dotcoms.
The Govs I’ve been at were crazy-tight about security. They were unionized and could decide based on conscience vs costs. Dotcoms, though, followed a different trending, one that really focused on costs.
I guess its pointless to believe their words since there is no way to know if its them. Just look at what they actually do and judge based on that.
I’m all for attacking infra - we need to make this shit more resilient and we need to transition to memory-safe langs like Rust. This will hopefully accelerate it. Also, I lol at people saying Trump/Elon/Doge will destroy the US when in reality - these kinds of people who wanna attack it probably have way better chances to do so.
Memory safety is just a small part of infrastructure resilience. Rust doesn’t protect you from phishing attacks. Rust doesn’t protect you from weak passwords. Rust doesn’t protect you from network misconfiguration. (For that matter, Rust doesn’t protect you from some group of twenty-year old assholes installing their own servers inside your network, like you say.) Protecting your estate is not just about a programming language.
“Infrastructure”, to me, suggests power, water, oil and food, more than some random website. For US infra, I’m thinking a lot of Allen-Bradley programmable logic controllers, but probably a lot of Siemens and Mitsubishi stuff as well - things like these: https://www.rockwellautomation.com/en-us/products/hardware/allen-bradley/programmable-controllers.html.
Historically, the controllers for industrial infrastructure (from a single pumping station to critical electrical distribution) have been on their own separate networks, and so things like secure passwords and infrastructure updates haven’t been a priority. Some of these things have been running untouched for decades; thousands of people will have used the (often shared) credentials, which are very rarely updated or changed. The recent change is to demand more visibility and interaction; every SCADA (the main control computer used for interactive plant control) that you bring onto the public internet so that you can see what it’s up to in a central hub, the more opportunity you have to mess up the network security and allow undesirables in.
PLCs tend to be coded up in “ladder logic” and compiled to device-specific assembly language. It isn’t a programming environment where C has made any inroads over the decades; I very much doubt there’s a Rust compiler for some random microcontroller, and “supported by manufacturer” is critical for these industries.
Take my upvote!!!
So, they are going to hurt innocent people to save the innocent people?
How exactly does this help us? Why attack infrastructure we need to survive? So many other targets I feel would have better results.
That’s how you win asymmetric warfare.
I really have no idea, I don’t study warfare, usually avoid such things lol
If you’re an American praising potential harm to America you should reexamine why you continue being a citizen here. If there are other countries more aligned with your personal morals and values please seek citizenship there.
I am, because this government has decided the US constitution just doesn’t matter, and now, we have literal nazis running the government.
I stand by my people, not the government oppressing them.
Sorry, you’re stuck with hoards of people our economy has made too poor to get citizenship elsewhere. Shitty country run by selfish oligarchs. 🤷
Our country hasn’t “made them too poor for citizenship elsewhere” as millions still walk hundreds to thousands of miles to get here. Still more opportunity in the USA than anywhere else. Sure we live under an oligarchy but honestly who doesn’t?
Tell that to the people that occurred to place the orange turd in the White House.
The harm is already here, idiot.
That’s why there’s a traitorous felon squatting in the White House.
Sure, lemme know where you’re dropping the case of cash at so I can afford to GTFO.
Just brush the Funyun crumbs off of your shirt before starting.
