Quite the unpopular opinion, but I just wanted to post this to show the silent majority that we still exist. We have reached a point where voicing criticism against wayland is treated like the worst thing ever and leads you to being censored and what not. The red hat funded multi year long shill campaign has proven to be quite successful. Now do the same for immutable distros and every new buzzword that restricts your ability to make changes to your system and the long term plan of completely sabotaging the linux desktop will finally come true. That is all.

    • cebef@futurology.todayOPEnglish
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      9 months ago

      No. While systemd might fall under the same forced adoption and passive agressive strategy, it actually works and does not make a single difference for the average user unlike the other buzzwords.

  • GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Not that unpopular opinion, I feel like I hear it here and other places quite often. A fair opinion, like any other, but the problem for you is that there is no alternative to Wayland. X is abandonwere, as is Mir. The Wayland specs were written by X shills (I.e the X devs) because X is unmaintainable, so it’s going to be very hard, if at all possible, to get other devs to effectively maintain X.

    As for immutable distros: I’ve used Linux personally for a decade and worked as a Linux sysadmin for a few years, and I think immutable distros are great. They make server maintanence and lifecycle management a dream. If you haven’t tries using them as server operating systems, I’d highly recommend using openSUSE MicroOS, and just trying it out! Deployments with podman or kubernetes and you have a rock solid, secure, and easily maintained system.

  • unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de
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    9 months ago

    Don’t worry, we are sure you Wayland haters will keep up some obscure X distro with a space-heater feature while the rest of the world keeps moving forward.

  • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    could you expand on this at all?

    Arch Linux with a Gnome desktop with low core hardware even dual core a year ago on Wayland would not be a to play a video on VLC for a week straight no power offs or restarts without crashing and or some error

    Fast forward to today and that same setup even without updating regularly will get you the same experience as Windows in regard to stability and being able to stay running without crashes or errors

    Shout out to the Steam team for their contributions to Linux and yes use Arch btw and feel am able to make more changes to the system than before

  • just_another_person@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    You should be blaming the developers who aren’t developing FOR Wayland.

    Actually, let me take that back a bit…

    Developing for GUI is tough. Developing for TWO different display systems to render a GUI is twice as hard, and then each variant of the variant even further difficult. The fact is, the basic working of X started in the 70’s, became productized in the 80’s, and the X11 version we’ve all been working without in the early 90’s. Something had to change. This is that change.

    As a developer who writes for Wayland, I prefer it. Most do. If every major distro had switched a few years ago, you’d be having a smoother experience right now, but here we are.

    My point is: hate the ecosystem or whatever, but Wayland is a way forward, and keeping coherency for compatibility for both is hard. Do your best to help make a smoother transition for the devs working on such things if you are capable and have time.

  • Hyperreality@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    I sounds like you don’t actually dislike wayland, but fanboys and toxicity. TBH the linux community is full of that kind of crap.

    Imagine if we were all as weird about toasters, having arguments about how toaster brand X was so much better than toaster brand Y.

    But luckily people don’t give much of a shit about toasters, as long as they work.