It was so easy when I was growing up. I would just type my search into LimeWire and if it turned out to be weird porn I would delete it. Then we had The Pirate Bay, and I could go through reviews to see whether something was a virus or not. Now all public sites I am aware of are riddled with viruses, and I am warned that attempting to download any of them will result in me receiving threatening letters from copyrights holders in the post.

Here is what I have discovered today, trying to pirate things again:

  • The safest thing you can do is direct download from file share websites, but nobody says where these websites are.
  • If you want to torrent files, you need to subscribe to an exclusive private tracker. To get access to a private tracker, you need to get lucky, or you need to go through a painstaking process of levelling up over months and months of seeding torrents from semi-private trackers until you get to an actual good one that may or may not have the content you are looking for.
  • If you don’t want to do this, you need to pay for a UseNet provider, then you need to register for a similarly exclusive UseNet index service, probably paid as well. There is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for on here either, and there is a chance that your download will fail.
  • Whether you are using torrents or UseNet, you need a service to help you find the content in the first place, for example Sonarr, Radarr or Lidarr. Something called Jackett also fits into this somehow and apparently links to whatever indexes you are using.
  • If you are torrenting, you then need a torrent client such as qBitTorrent to actually get the files.
  • If you are using UseNet, you need a UseNet downloader such as jdownloader.
  • Alternatively, for either option you can pay for a Debrid service such as Real-Debrid or Premiumize to download the files for you, if you send them the links. Besides protecting your privacy and your bandwidth, these services are also great for bypassing the limits on the elusive direct download sites nobody can tell me any more about.

I don’t really think of myself as a stupid person but this shit is so confusing. It is harder than paying for drugs on the dark web with illegal crypto currency. Am I nearly there? Is this everything? If I pay for a UseNet provider and somehow register for a UseNet index, is it as simple as connecting the two together to something such as Sonarr to find the content and jdownloader to get it?

I just wanna have my own home streaming service.

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      Second torrentleech. It’s free, you just need an invite and you have to follow their rules (but that’s valid on any private tracker)

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        Don’t need invites. The tracker consiytently opens every major holidays (now upcoming: Easter). And if not, they open usually during Summer or Black Friday/Week and Christmas.

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    My two cents, piracy is not necessarily more complicated than it ever was at its simplest, but the potential for enhanced automation and security is MUCH higher than it used to be. That’s the complex part.

    I’m one of the lucky private tracker people. If I wasn’t in there, I’d go all in on Usenet.

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    For computer games there are a lot of respected repacker (DODI, FitGirl) and also sites for DDL (csrinru, IGG). I think it is a fairly easy time for piracy because of the ass service and rip off on every corner (EA, Ubisoft, Epic, Nintendo, Denuvo).

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    P2p is the way the web naturally flowed, protocols like bittorrent wore able to distribute content better than giant streaming companies without relying on giant infrastructure.

    Now sharing is frowed upon, hosting your own server at home is frowed upon, the web used to be more made by users, now to do anything you need to go through a big company.

    The difficulties you face on piracy is just a reflection of how capitalism is fucking the web.

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    • If you want to torrent files, you need to subscribe to an exclusive private tracker. To get access to a private tracker, you need to get lucky, or you need to go through a painstaking process of levelling up over months and months of seeding torrents from semi-private trackers until you get to an actual good one that may or may not have the content you are looking for.

    Uh, no. Tpb, rutracker, nyaa… Work well. If you want more curated stuff then yes, private trackers might be worth it, but you can still find a ton of things on public trackers.

    • Whether you are using torrents or UseNet, you need a service to help you find the content in the first place, for example Sonarr, Radarr or Lidarr. Something called Jackett also fits into this somehow and apparently links to whatever indexes you are using.

    No. You can just search in one of the trackers and add the torrent to your download client.

    • If you are torrenting, you then need a torrent client such as qBitTorrent to actually get the files.

    Yes, obviously. If you want to ddl you’ll likely need a web browser, too.

    I just wanna have my own home streaming service.

    If you don want to automate it then just search for stuff manually and move your downloaded media to your library folders like it has been done since forever.

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      My man might be wearing the ol rose-colored glasses when it comes to the Limewire “heyday” of piracy.

      I remember many times accidentally infecting my computer with a virus through that thing. That repair process was a HUGE pain in the ass.

      I was stoned one night looking for concert footage and instead I got a video of a woman getting her head blown off at close range. That shit FUCKED. ME. UP. for a hot minute.

      Todays situation is better in my opinion.

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          I remember I was trying to find the video of an ad that was on TV (don’t ask me why, I’m probably autistic). YouTube didn’t exist yet. Instead, I downloaded a CSAM video - I was a child myself at the time, and that thing scared me and fucked me up.

          Today it would never happen by using a torrent tracker, even a public one probably

      • idkmybffjoeysteel [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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        Yeah no I agree using LimeWire as a kid was wild, it’s just I stopped pirating when OG TPB got taken down and never really figured out how to get back into it.

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          Honestly nothing has changed since the OG tpb days, you can even still use tpb. BitTorrent should be replaced with qBitTorrent or something I think, I haven’t exactly changed my client in years. You have more choices of VPNs now if you care about that I guess. Some of the other old good trackers are defunct, but I think Reddit still has an actively maintained wiki of good public trackers…

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    1337x.to, qbittorrent, vpn if your isp cares. Dodi, fitgirl, johncena141 for games. For audio, video, books, just don’t be dumb and open bee_movie.mp4.exe and you’ll be fine.

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    Really can’t get the point of the post

    I’m enjoying rutracker + tpb. Very easy, very fast, always find what I want

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    Oh man.

    Stremio + torrentio plugin + real debrid subscription.

    I used Usenet and then torrents for 20 years or so but this stremio stack allowed me to get rid of all that *arr crap, also VPN, and private trackers et cetera. Not to mention a hot, power hungry home server.

    Others will be along to disagree with me any moment, but for me this stack is infinitely better.

    Downloading and storing stuff doesn’t make any sense in the era of unlimited data.

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      Someone has to seed though. I don’t know much about seedboxes but it seems like a seed box + plex combo is a solid way to go.

      The home server route is way more complicated than rd+stremio for sure, but is still necessary in some contexts. I keep one just for kids content bc there’s no way to separate it out using stremio that I’ve found so far. It’s a bit of a pain to set up but with docker it’s not so bad. Stremio + rd for everything else.

      Anything is better than watching fucking ads

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          Docker silos your apps into VMs called containers so if it malfunctions, the entire server doesn’t need to reboot only the docker container. You can also wall off select containers’ network access through VPNs and allow others through. Seems to work a bit better than split tunneling for me

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    Maybe I’ve unknowingly downloaded a bunch of viruses but I just tied qbitTorrent to my vpn and downloaded tons of movies from 1337x, torrentgalaxy, or ocassionally from PirateBay if I found a good one. I’ve been fine, but maybe I’m actually not. Who knows?

    Either way, no letters or Summons so I’m doing all right.

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      Yeah torrenting isn’t really all that hard tbh. Near enough same method as me, always been okay thus far

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    It is a very difficult topic - I use slsk private trackers and now try to revive airdc++ my data set is around 60TB - it is pain in ass to manage -HDD’s fail, you need to salvage the data, also buy a new bigger ones, ssd’s also fail. Internet connection is limited, and the MASSIVE amount of data being produced these dayz… I also run I2P and IPFS nodes, TOR snowflake. And it is massive pain that alphatracker is down… also the rarbg loss. Please keep calm, everything will be fine, I have to mention that I live in a grey country - no need for vpn - that really helps.

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    I think HDEncode and ReleaseBB are among the best DDL websites, though there’s other options listed on the FMHY and Megathread lists. To make practical use of them though, you either need an expensive Rapidgator subscription or a more affordable Debrid subscription (i.e. RealDebrid). If you use RealDebrid or AllDebrid, one method of finding releases is using Debrid Media Manager, which searches for cached releases that other users have already submitted to the debrid service you’re subscribed to. As debrid downloads, in my experience at least, are often corrupted (resulting in errors either when extracting files from an archive or re-encoding a video in MKVToolNix), the best use of debrid services is to use it with an app like Stremio to have an all-in-one streaming service.

    The other paid solution is usenet, which requires a NZB download program (i.e. NZBGet), a usenet indexer, and a usenet provider. The latter two usually require yearly subscriptions, but often have better results than can be found on DDL sites or public torrent trackers. While some usenet indexers are private, there are enough that are not to make waiting for open signups for those indexers optional. The public ones include altHUB, Miatrix, and NZB Finder, the private ones include DrunkenSlug and Tabula Rasa, while NZBGeek is public but is only free during a limited trial period, after which a subscription is needed. The free ones usually have a 5 downloads per day limit without a subscription. Note that Jdownloader is not a NZB download program, but rather one for regular downloads, and would instead be used for DDL site downloads.

    For torrenting you need access to torrent trackers and a torrent download program. qBittorrent can do both if you add the Jackett plugin to it, though the best seeded (available for download) releases are often on semi-private and private torrent trackers. The best semi-private to start out with is TorrentLeech, given its lax seeding requirements compared to other private trackers. Keeping releases seeded on TorrentLeech gives you points over time that you can use to boost your ratio.

    While I’d recommend using a paid VPN if you choose to go the route of torrenting, it’s not essential if you instead use debrid and/or usenet subscriptions as in those cases you’re not re-uploading downloaded releases to other users. If you’d rather not pay for any services, I’d recommend just using a site like MovieWeb to stream releases compiled from free streaming websites. While the quality is not always as good as can be had with the three options above, it works well for most use cases.

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      This is incredibly helpful, thank you. I couldn’t figure out exactly what Rapidgator was used for before, if it similar to Debrid and used to indirectly download files from other file sharing websites then that makes sense.

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        Rapidgator is a file hosting website often used by DDL sites. Rapidgator makes money by slowing downloads down to a crawl unless you have a premium subscription, as well as only allowing one download at a time for free users. As this is problematic for downloading multiple movies at a time, let alone TV shows, debrid services serve as a middleman by downloading files from file hosts such as Rapidgator to their own servers and caching them for their own subscribers to download for a set amount of time.

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    The safest thing you can do is direct download from file share websites, but nobody says where these websites are.

    Until some legal entity decides to raid the servers. Pray they do not keep logs of IPs. Though usually this may be (to some extent) a gray zone in some countries.

    If you want to torrent files, you need to subscribe to an exclusive private tracker

    I download anime almost exclusively from nyaa. SubsPlease, Erai-Raws and many others are borderline there within 2h from release.
    Private trackers allow for even higher quality by applying a ruleset like only remuxes and maybe they only allow a certain bitrate to have it classify as a remux on their community.

    . To get access to a private tracker, you need to get lucky, or you need to go through a painstaking process of levelling up over months and months of seeding torrents from semi-private trackers until you get to an actual good one that may or may not have the content you are looking for.

    No need to level up. Some more exclusive trackers may (or may not) open their doors during an open signup. But this is like any exclusive club. Either you stay a “pleb” in the open field or work for acess to the hifher club. Don’t imagine for a second you could just enter the exclusive area in a high roller casino without a few hundred 10k chips. :p

    If you don’t want to do this, you need to pay for a UseNet provider, then you need to register for a similarly exclusive UseNet index service, probably paid as well. There is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for on here either, and there is a chance that your download will fail.

    Usenet was always paid in the recent years.
    Paying an indexing service is not mandatory. I am signed up to 4 services in the free tier just fine.
    That you will not find stuff there is just as likely there, in P2Pworld as in the open web DDL or the privately shared lists world.

    Whether you are using torrents or UseNet, you need a service to help you find the content in the first place, for example Sonarr, Radarr or Lidarr. Something called Jackett also fits into this somehow and apparently links to whatever indexes you are using.

    What?
    You can search the sites just fine on their own search engine. The *arrs and jacket/prowlarr are just unifying the searching into one engine and the *arrs parse and categorize your searches to help you find the stuff you want.
    As I said: You can either search TPB manually just fine, oooooor you plonk it into prowlarr and have it synced to your *arrs.

    • If you are torrenting, you then need a torrent client such as qBitTorrent to actually get the files.
    • If you are using UseNet, you need a UseNet downloader such as jdownloader.

    To browse the web, you need a web browser?
    To use a computer you need a storage drive?
    To use anything you need electricity.
    So what’s your point??

    Alternatively, for either option you can pay for a Debrid service such as Real-Debrid or Premiumize to download the files for you, if you send them the links. Besides protecting your privacy and your bandwidth, these services are also great for bypassing the limits on the elusive direct download sites nobody can tell me any more about.

    Any user logged to an exclusive community and uploading to something like those services are borderline stupid. lmao!
    And they probably risk their account from being banned pretty quickly for breaking seeding rules They may function like a remote qbittorrent with a nice streaming interface. You basically pay someone to give you a pretty interface. Same as a seedbox, but you have no power over what you can/can not do :p

    but this shit is so confusing. It is harder than paying for drugs on the dark web with illegal crypto currency.

    Absolutely not. You just may be having issues understanding the material. Nothing wrong with that though.
    I am still having problems understanding some concepts of for example VLANs, (v)SANs and software defined storage.

    I just wanna have my own home streaming service.

    Easy:

    • Download and install Jellyfin (or Plex if you want to get shafted. Just donate the same amount to the Jellyfin team).
    • Organizing: Download and install sonarr (tv)/radarr (movies)
    • Torrent: Either wait for access to TL during an upcoming holiday like easter and monitor communication channels or watch opensignup websites.
    • Usenet: Sub to a few closed communities. Same as the torrent way.
    • Downloading: For torrent: qbit, for usenet: sabnzbd.
    • Indexing: Prowlarr as the all-in-one solutiom.
    • Download: Either search prowlarr through it’s own interface or through sonarr/radarr ooooor just download all yourself from some DDL page or rip from other (pirate) streaming sites via plugins and organize it via the *arrs.
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      What? You can search the sites just fine on their own search engine. The *arrs and jacket/prowlarr are just unifying the searching into one engine and the *arrs parse and categorize your searches to help you find the stuff you want.

      I’ve been trying to understand this stuff without seeing any of it possum-party

      Thanks for the help, this answers pretty much everything I was confused about

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      Until some legal entity decides to raid the servers. Pray they do not keep logs of IPs. Though usually this may be (to some extent) a gray zone in some countries.

      Can you give an example? I don’t think accessing a file somebody makes available has ever been an issue with copyright prosecution. They go after uploaders and hosts.

      Even if they did, an IP in a server log isn’t definitive proof of an individual accessing something. However, I’m less confident of worldwide legal systems understanding that. Still, I’d be curious if there’s a single example of somebody being charged over accessing publicly accessible copyrighted files on the web.

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    We still have torrents, only thing thats new is option to set up *arr stack for next level torrenting. Piratebay is still working, torrents and/or usenet are way better with speeds we have today… I never liked LimeWire. Just use VPN my dude