Switch to Linux!
From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
The only thing keeping me on windows is EFT.
Linux. You’ll be glad you did.
Free. Easy to install. Never gets viruses. Never crashes. Rock solid.
Runs good on old machines. Runs like lightning on new machines.
I’ve installed it for 3 old ladies (3 separate installs). They like its simplicity and low-bullshit.
I personally use Debian with a Mate desktop.
I didn’t even realize that there was a button there before. I always just hit Win-D.
And this is why I should switch to linux? I guess any chance a linux user is going to use to tell you they use linux is good enough.
Jesus Christ I already don’t give a fuck about 11 because they’re just moving shit to move it, getting rid of useful features is infuriating.
I must admit, “Linux becomes the refuge of luddites” was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.
It would mean corporate software support. And while you might still choose FOSS, it means money pouring into Linux—which is always a good thing.
Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?
Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.
This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it’s really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it’s even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.
I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft’s little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It’s a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven’t been on previously has it. Now, I’d wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, “I’ll suck your dick” energy they have when someone installs Chrome.
Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they’re mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10’s entire lifetime (I think it’s there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people’s muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won’t, because they aren’t confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they’ll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they’ve been doing for over a decade. It’s yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it’s different now for no reason.
More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.
Very true.
Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.
Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you’ll have to from that abandonware.
Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.
Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime…
Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
Image when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : “I’mma just say with my abandonware forever.”
Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it’s what makes them a Luddite.
Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don’t want to spend a week learning new “muscle memory”.
What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites
If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!
friendly reminder that https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172
That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for “neo-Luddites” anyway. I don’t find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.
The Luddites of Linux are one’s desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.
You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don’t care about this sort of shit and it’s the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.
inevitably run into a problem with Linux
This has nothing to do with any of kind of Linux problems.
It’s, just Luddies crying because Linux is moving on from outdated flawed software.
Same shit happens with windows, my guy. “WHAAAAAAAA MY WINDOWS XP WHAAAAAA” \If someone is have a Linux issue, they just need to ask. Literally just ask me, or the vast major of other users.
yeah I’ve seen the windows support forums, every official response either misses the point of the question or the answer is straight up wrong.
What gets me is the replies like “just wipe it & reinstall the whole thing”.
Yeah right, like I’mma spend an entire hour wiping, reformation and reinstalling Windows, then varying additional time reconfiguring everything for a problem that likely has an extremely simple solution but they’re too lazy to gather the necessary information to actually solve it.
Assuming that the Windows installer doesn’t fuck up and I have to restart the install process again, which has happened to me several times.
At least Linux takes 5-10m tops to install for the user friendly distros.
Even I, a Linux user who’s spent hours upon days debugging kernel issues for my hardware can see how fuckin stupid that shit copout advice is.
Yeah, I don’t know why they devolve back to tribalism. I just installed the thing and the programs I had to use and just…kept using it since I didn’t want to pirate windows xd. No need to shout to others what’s my favorite fake non Unix distro or anything.
This is not tribalism.
This is people crying because Windows moved from 95 to 98 for comparison.Xorg has a plethora of unfixable issues, and people are mad that we can’t & don’t want to stick to it for all eternity, crippling the hell out of Linux growth & innovation.
I just hope they get rid of the ancient stuff to make the neckbeards seethe xd
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
It’s simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won’t change that.
Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
It’s simply functionally inferior now.
It’s functionally superior in many ways, and here’s the real kicker actually maintainable and expandable.
Xorg HDR when?Literally, YOU right now.
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don’t care about you in particular.
Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
Wrong.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care. Just like you don’t care about what I use.
its actually maintainable and expandable.
Yes, I’m sure somewhere 10 years after I’ll use it after it’s been finally expanded to something usable.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.
Too bad
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions
You answer you’re own opinions? funny.
Wrong
CWM : stacking window manger
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, and Sway, etc.FVWM : Tab Window Manager
DWL, Hyprland, Sway again, etc.You’re factually disproven.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care…
I’m sure somewhere 10 years after…Luddite : one who is opposed to technological change.
Thanks for proving my point. For further discussion you can TELNET me @ www.megaboomerenergy.com::80This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.
If you want a 1:1 equivalent WM, then you’ll just have to build it yourself scrub.
The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can.
Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.
Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.
Didn’t even realize lmao.
A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars
“And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo.”
Linux exists people, without copilot using your information for training data and if you game, has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming. The only thing I use Windows for is GeForce now as the windows and Mac apps are the only way for me to play 1440p 120fps with their service.
Good beginner distros: pop_os, Ubuntu, Linux mint, Nobara or fedora, Garuda, Manjaro, solus, zorin. The possibilities are really endless. Just take your pick, make a bootable USB and try it out.
@AnActOfCreation You can re-enable it in the Taskbar settings, though (as you also can hide Copilot the same way?).
Honestly, people who are still on windows at this point deserve this shit. 99% of corporate IT users are completely unwilling to stand up to their company’s IT policies, no matter how disruptive those are to the workflow - and I am not even talking about operating system choice here.
Since 95% and more of my colleagues in all prior jobs refused to stand up for the most basic necessities (such as a proper email program, or webmail access while NOT on a corporate device), then I don’t give a fuck about them suffering from Windows while I happily left corporate IT for a service contract and work on my self-managed device.
Switch to Linux!
Where your sound card can stop working randomly when you reboot, or your network card won’t work at the same time as your mouse!
A decision that also lightly favors business as the “hide desktop” button has a general reputation as the “uh oh, the boss is coming!” button. Definitely not their first purpose here, but a “nice” side benefit for the pro-enshittification crowd.
Penguin lovers, assemble.
I can’t run a lot of games with anti-cheat on Linux, so it’s not viable for me.
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
Ubuntu used to be animals!
Ubuntu used to be naked people!
Lol what am I reading?
Sorry, that was the best link I could find at that moment. Since the word “ubuntu” means something like “humanity towards others,” Canonical really leaned into that concept with their tagline “Linux for human beings” in the early days. This involved shipping some controversial wallpaper images and using less risque shots from the same photo shoot on things like the CD-ROM cover.
It still is. There’s an animal “codename” and a number for all releases.
Oh yay!!
So many memories, dapper drake with the LTS. For some reason I used karmic koala which is 9.10 until 12. I played thousands of hours of minecraft and ksp because other that valve games those where like the only two that ran naively without fucking around with the abomination that wine was at the time.
10+ years with Linux as my daily driver (yeah I’m old). When my os updates, it’s almost always with some feature that’s pretty neat.
Nowadays the steamdeck or some combo of Linux with steam can play my games, do my work, and I actively make other people’s lives better when I contribute.
Thanks for your contribution to the Linux ecosystem!
It’s people like you who make this whole thing possible
Anyone can. It’s part of what makes it great.
Have you tried gaming on Linux lately? You don’t need Windows anymore except if you use GamePass, because MS has locked that software down to Windows. The only problem game I had was The Finals until recently, and it now works on Linux. Besides that the only issue is I can’t mod Baulder’s Gate 1 because it requires injecting things and that doesn’t work with Linux as far as I can figure out. The game runs fine.
Yes, I’m a long time mint user, and I was also a 1st batch steamdeck so I’ve seen how far just proton has come. There’s still a handful of games that just won’t work, work but not with the mods I need, or take a performance hit. I also have a driving simulator with a VR headset. I’m sure I could get it running on Linux eventually but windows just does it. Recognizes and just installed the drivers for all my hardware. And for VR, there are now a lot of solutions, but I’ve found windows to just be the fastest and best performing. I need every frame I can get running vr on a 2060.
Yeah, modding sucks right now. If the game let’s you manually add mods without injecting, then it’s fine, though manual can take a while. Nexus Mod Manager (and most others, though CKAN for KSP(1&2) works pretty well but won’t launch the game through that application for me) don’t work yet for Linux, but it looks like they’re working on a new application that’ll run natively on Linux, so I’m looking forward to that.
r2modman has a native Linux client as well and handles pretty much all unity games
Didin’t Linux had FreeCAD?
FreeCAD…is getting there. They’re actually heading toward a 1.0 release, and bringing usability and convenience features. I’d say by 2025 it’ll be a better value proposition than the “Free non-commerical use drawbackware” tier offerings from Onshape or Fusion360.
Yes, and holy shit has it come so far. Unfortunately in the professional world you often just need the native program to open the file. Even just for compatability, but rolling back and/or modifying is only possible within its native software.
Would OnShape be an option for you ? I haven’t booted up Windows since I was able to work with OnShape to replace Solidworks. But I just do hobby projects. I didn’t have to worry about compatibility for collaboration.
I flirted with gnome this install around. I’m so lazy to reinstall yet again to get back to my previous plasma. Seriously Linux is a way better experience these days, I wish those that could would just give it an honest shot. The learning curve isn’t too bad once you understand a couple things.
Gnome is awful. It’s almost as bad as windows. Basically 0 customization, and getting worse every release. I can’t even fathom how you would voluntarily switch from plasma to gnome and not immediately switch back
It just works for me, and I prefer the look to that of KDE. Like, fair enough if it’s not your cup of tea, but your basic point here is “I don’t like the workflow and I highly value customisation”, and you then act like your subjective preferences are fact.
You can customise Gnome quite a lot, btw. I’m not even saying you should give it another shot, but please just don’t act like your personal preferences are objectively accurate.
I dislike how they took away minimizing windows. Please help me understand the lack of system tray. I have apps that go there and I have a plugin to bring it back and all the icons have a black background which is super annoying.
Discord, telegram, signal, flameshot, and others are in there and I don’t understand how gnome intends me to access them otherwise when they’re “closed” in the background.
i’ve always been able to minimize windows from the alt-space window menu. but they are enabling all kinds of customization through the extensions. i have transparent windows (every window, not just apps that support it as part of their functionality), tiling through the Forge extension, the tweak tool gives you lots of stuff including restoring the minimize button to where you think it should be, and there is even an extension to give you your system tray back. but now the gnome team can just focus on putting together the essential parts, and people who want thefunctionality you describe can build it and install it through the extensions.
i, too, was a bit put off when they ditched the gnome2 look and feel, and i stayed on xfce for a long time. but my job had me using windows and i found out that i like just hitting super, typing what i want to do, and then it happens.
now, the software center’s tendency to tell me to reboot for updates is something else. we can hotswap kernels now. don’t fucking tell me i need to reboot.
I’m not even saying you should give it another shot, but please just don’t act like your personal preferences are objectively accurate.
I’m forced to use it at work if I want to use linux. You really can’t, and to customize even a little bit you need lots of extra tools and maybe even access the css. For example, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ is the only way to get a usable task bar. And calling it usable is being very generous.
The gnome devs are extremely opinionated in removing configuration and features. It’s honestly disgusting
Idk with a couple of extensions I really enjoy the GNOME work-flow. Although I admit KDE on my SteamDeck has been tempting me lately.
KDE is amazing and you should give it a try. It’s unbelievably customizable, and is so much more seamless. Having to use gnome is almost as frustrating as having to use macos. And in a lot of the same ways. Like, trying to get a usable task bar in gnome is infuriating.
usable task bar in gnome
Just one easy to enable extension for this, but it should definitely be the default. Overall I like the stock GNOME experience and find it clean. When you get the hang of GNOME it starts to make sense. Super key is the answer.
KDE is obviously more powerful, but I don’t like customizing my desktop very much so that point is moot for me.
I’m going full KDE for the next 6 months, you should try GNOME for a bit, give it a solid chance with extensions.
I’m forced to use gnome at work. It’s horrible
You can just turn that off. You know that, right?
Windows has overtaken Linux in the “requires customization” department
Honestly, stock KDE is pretty nice, i barely change a thing and feel right at home.
I add custom things for everything and then come to Breeze after a week because it’s the most consistent and usable.
I spent hours the other day uninstalling adware from my laptop after reinstalling windows on it. It’s ridiculous.
See you next update 🎉
Actually, those of us who hid it the first time it appeared didn’t see this change. It’s been disabled the whole time.
Maybe stop telling people what OS to use? Even if I would have ever considered switching to linux, its users are so god damn annoying that I would never do so now
Of course Linux users are annoying, who isn’t sometimes? Promoting this self-own mindset isn’t good for you or other users. Is good for Microsoft however…
I would never do so now
Oh no… We’ll never recover from this. In Russian we say: “назло маме отморожу уши”. In English that translates to “to spite my mom, I’ll freeze my ears off.” This expression is used to describe a situation where someone does something harmful or foolish to themselves in an attempt to rebel against or annoy someone else, despite the action being against their own best interests.
Maybe stop telling people what comment to post? Even if I would have ever considered posting something else, this reply is so god damn annoying that I’m going to post a linux comment now.
Yeah, if Linux wants to become an alternative OS for average folks, its users need to stop being so evangelical and obnoxious. I’m sure there are linux users who don’t blow goats, they’re just not on lemmy, or they’re keeping quiet.
As much as I want the user base to grow so companies feel obligated to support the platform, I don’t really personally want to support many people re-learning how to use their computers
It’s usually the loud minority you hear, as with anything.
Linux is a bunch of code. It doesn’t want anything.
I’m sorry but that makes no sense. However much you may think Linux users are annoying, marketing and word of mouth are what drive popular choices. If nobody ever brings up something, then average folks will never even know it exists.
And you people are doing a great job driving people away from Linux.
That was literally how Apple became as big as it is. They created an ecosystem that encourages evangelism and outs people’s personal choices (green bubble vs blue bubble for example) while also making it intentionally difficult to mix and match outside of the ecosystem. Obviously it’s not a 1:1 comparison but it’s an example of a successful competitor to the market leader and how it keeps itself relevant.
Oh no I’m right here.
Me too brother.
Same, friends. I don’t care what operating system people use, as long as Valve keeps supporting Proton and making it possible for me to game and therefore stick with Linux.
doing something against better judgement out of stubbornness harms no one but yourself. be my guest…
