The point is more why are we treating the symptom rather than the disease.
Hell yeah, great point
People who take advantage of others are manipulators and by definition that’s anti-social. Why is the system so broken that we can’t imprison scammers?
What the fuck, how is that your conclusion?
The “disease” is the lack of safety nets- a lack of education, resources, opportunities. “Anti-social” is a copout term to justify the status quo- to pathologize what are ultimately systemic failures manifested in the behavior of individuals. The disease is capitalism, and imprisoning people for “anti-social” behaviors is absolutely the wrong answer.
I’m going to have to assume TherapyGary does not stem from you being a mental health or psychology expert because anti-social is a defined term for people who are harmful to society, people with sociopathic tendencies like manipulation. It sounds like you think I’m saying anti-social as in they don’t like to talk to people, which is not the context of this question.
I’m not sure you understand the question if you believe that disease is something other than anti-social behaviour. The symptom is victims, the cause are the people who made them victims.
I don’t disagree that our society breeds sociopaths, but on other side of the argument is that you are a person with free will. If your teacher told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Usually not, so regardless of what you learned, it’s your decision to evaluate it and decide what is right and wrong. Which is where your diagnosis would come in, you have been wired with ASPD tendencies but are there not treatments? CBT?
I think we could go back and forth about the same point here without coming to an understanding but In the situation of society vs individuals, the individuals are the ones that came first, that developed society in the form of accepted norms. You can’t change society without changing the people first.
ASPD is far too broad to be worth treating on it’s own. If someone struggles with impulse control and emotion dysregulation, sure, those symptoms are treatable, and treating them is likely to improve the person’s quality of life.
However, most people with ASPD meet criteria because they break the law, lie about it (duh), and don’t feel bad about it (why would they if they did it on purpose?). This should not be pathologized, and doesn’t need treatment.
I don’t even believe in free will, so I expect you’re right that we won’t come to an understanding on this lol 😅
You can’t change society without changing the people first.
Hell yeah, great point
What the fuck, how is that your conclusion?
The “disease” is the lack of safety nets- a lack of education, resources, opportunities. “Anti-social” is a copout term to justify the status quo- to pathologize what are ultimately systemic failures manifested in the behavior of individuals. The disease is capitalism, and imprisoning people for “anti-social” behaviors is absolutely the wrong answer.
I’m going to have to assume TherapyGary does not stem from you being a mental health or psychology expert because anti-social is a defined term for people who are harmful to society, people with sociopathic tendencies like manipulation. It sounds like you think I’m saying anti-social as in they don’t like to talk to people, which is not the context of this question.
I’m not sure you understand the question if you believe that disease is something other than anti-social behaviour. The symptom is victims, the cause are the people who made them victims.
I am a therapist and I meet diagnostic criteria for ASPD.
The diagnosis itself exists to pathologize the individual to remove blame from the system that fosters this behavior.
The DSM is a joke
I don’t disagree that our society breeds sociopaths, but on other side of the argument is that you are a person with free will. If your teacher told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Usually not, so regardless of what you learned, it’s your decision to evaluate it and decide what is right and wrong. Which is where your diagnosis would come in, you have been wired with ASPD tendencies but are there not treatments? CBT?
I think we could go back and forth about the same point here without coming to an understanding but In the situation of society vs individuals, the individuals are the ones that came first, that developed society in the form of accepted norms. You can’t change society without changing the people first.
ASPD is far too broad to be worth treating on it’s own. If someone struggles with impulse control and emotion dysregulation, sure, those symptoms are treatable, and treating them is likely to improve the person’s quality of life.
However, most people with ASPD meet criteria because they break the law, lie about it (duh), and don’t feel bad about it (why would they if they did it on purpose?). This should not be pathologized, and doesn’t need treatment.
I don’t even believe in free will, so I expect you’re right that we won’t come to an understanding on this lol 😅
This is neoliberal propaganda