- cross-posted to:
- opensource@lemmy.ml
- foss@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- opensource@lemmy.ml
- foss@beehaw.org
Maxim Dounin announces the freenginx project.
As such, starting from today, I will no longer participate in nginx development as run by F5. Instead, I’m starting an alternative project, which is going to be run by developers, and not corporate entities:
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Does nginx give me anything over apache httpd in the year of our lord 2024? I’ve used both for hosting servers but never really understood the difference, as apache seems to have incorporated the important improvements that nginx made iirc.
Using both, too.
Supposedly NGINX gives you better peak performance and the configuration file format is more popular.
I would guess that peak performance is only a concern when being google/netflix/amazon, otherwise I would bet the bottleneck is somewhere else.
Further, NGINX seems to have become the default reverse proxy for all start ups, companies etc. around 10 years ago and thanks to group thinking by now one has to explain when using something else than NGINX.
What I really miss from Apache is Apaches awesome letsencrypt module w/o the need for certbot. (If somebody knows about a module for NGINX which takes care of letsencrypt w/o certbot, please enlighten me.)
In summary: Technical Apache and NGINX are IMHO mostly interchangeable (outside of peek performance demands), but the market/herd/group think prefers NGINX.
Does Apache have something like nginx’s OpenResty? That may be a significant benefit too.
Maybe mod_lua is an equivalent? I haven’t used OpenResty so there may be something I’m missing.
It looks to be similar. I’m not sure how trivial it is to add this. For nginx it’s basically built in. You just give it the Lua code. It’s also pretty capable. You can basically write a whole API back-end in it, which is pretty good for small APIs or functionalities, like an image resizing API.
Kudos!
Sad to see such an established project split up
Sounds great. I hope this project succeeds.
TLDR; F5 owns Nginx. Making corporate over security decisions. New community fork from one of the core devs at http://freenginx.org/. Too new to know if it will be adopted by other mainstream projects that currently leverage/embed nginx.
Note: If you use nginx and are concerned about security, consider a look at projects such as
owasp/modsecurity-crswhich include security layers on top of nginx.Making corporate over security decisions.
I read the opposite essentially, that F5 is publishing CVEs and the dev did not want them to.
Yeh, seems like the CVEs were against an alpha branch.
So, perhaps its a good reminder not to use alpha in production… But I feel it warranted a bug report instead of a “Common Vulnerabilities and Exploits” notice, normally something used to notify potentially production deployed systems of an issue.That would be like Pepsi issuing a product recall to all retail outlers for a product that has only been tested internally (kinda)
I think it’s more like pepsi issuing a product recall for something that has been accidentally left on the side of the road. You know you should not be drinking it anyway, but you also know someone would try it.
It was on purpose on the side of the road so people could gice feedback. But the issue wasn’t a health issue (privilege escalation, etc), it just wasn’t tasty (DoS). Something you really don’t want to sell in the store, but in an alpha/beta version it’s no big deal
I hate F5. Use some of their stuff at work and it’s just a constant source of unnecessary troubleshooting.
I will never understand how they became so massive.
I could say the same about Microsoft.
That doesn’t seem to be the case. From what I read on HN, the dev quit because he thought it didn’t make sense to submit CVEs for temporary/wip solutions, and F5 thought otherwise.
So as I see it, the developer quit because he didn’t agree that a CVE should be opened for a work-in-progress solution that was live on Nginx.
So basically just drama?
That’s what I read, too.
It gives a new perspective on the subject.Sad to see the workforce being split up, though.
Does it actually make sense to call it free nginx? It seems like that’d just cause confusion, especially if the projects diverge. Most of the time when this happens they choose a new name (like MariaDB vs MySQL)
That being said, I wish the project all the best. I use nginx both professionally and personally so I’ll be keeping an eye on this.
probably wont be the name for long anyway.
aparently F5 Networks. owns a trademark for nginx.
That makes it even worse then 😅. The whole thing seems kind of silly
The name of this project is a death sentence. F5 owns the NGINX trademark. A successful fork of this will need to have a new name.
When Oracle ruined Hudson, the community forked it and renamed it to Jenkins, and Oracle lost their investment. The same should be possible with NGINX (BSD vs. MIT, IANAL).
He’s russian. Trademarks and copyright doesn’t matter.
That might be true inside Russia, but not in the rest of the world. F5 could sue in the US and force the registrar responsible for the .org TLD to hand the domain to them.
In his place, I would chosen something related but different enough to avoid trademark infringement, like “Freeginx”. IANAL, but I believe sometimes all it takes is one letter to keep lawyers away.
IMO he would have been better off reversing the letters to something like XNGIN2 or some other clever play on the old theme.
Besides the new name being problematic it’s plain aweful.
Feels like Gentoo ==> Funtoo – Gentoo is a infinitely better name IMO.
A few years ago some other nginx devs also split off to create the fork Angie. I wonder why they didn’t join forces. My guess would be egos.
The “angie” fork shares the same problem as nginx run by F5: it’s run by a for-profit corporate entity. Even if it’s good enough now, things might change unexpectedly, like it happened with F5.
https://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-devel/2024-February/YIFSHIYSKDFBYZ2QRA3WF6SRPGIBDBKI.html
“Freen Ginks”
I hope they will not switch to AGPL.
Is AGPL really bad?
No, it’s very good, corpo lovers however hate it because it cuts the hands of corpo trash and also lax licenses
It’s really good that I cannot statically link with something GPL or AGPL licensed without licensing my software GPL?
GNU is failing, in the rise of Chimera Linux.
Actually, GNU is free software because it not only preserves the freedom of the user but it also preserves the freedom of the entire ecosystem. Lax licenses allow those freedoms to be taken away, a corporation can use that software to create a proprietary alternative and outcompete the open source one. With GPL, such maneuver is impossible.
No, free software does not have any restriction in any granted right, it is a requirement if they want themselves attributed.
GNU put restriction on modification and redistribution. Then they are just “open source”, then they have do define the term “Free and Open source software” which use more words to describe the same thing (assume free software = foss, because GNU always claimed they are making free software).
With GPL, such maneuver is impossible.
Much innovations is impossible.
And such long word for a license, I don’t want it fill up my A4.
Yes it is, that’s the point
Look at the corporate exploitation of free software and see that Stallman was right
Chimera Linux is the point.
Lol some shitty distro used by almost nobody, and serves no interest other than corpo lover’s interests
About Chimera Linux is shitty, no, it is accessible for script kiddies since it use GNOME. It might gain popularity… some day… but I don’t think the day is too far
And enthusiasts will love it. But you hate it because you like to war on what license to use than to patch a bunch of software to make it work for musl (and perhaps, clang). You can only see they are “corpo lovers” but not realize that they are different from most linux by popularizing softwares that are unpopular if they are intended to be “superior”.
I hope you can get on realistic communism and understand that communism (socialism is much near) with infinite high tech is built on capitalism, and any communism that is not built on capitalism can only exist when people do not have enough food and aren’t developed. When you haven’t reach high capitalism (like Viet Nam) corpo + single party government that protect the rights of workers is the only way to do.
Lenin wrote: “The age of referencing books to discuss about socialist revolutionary credo has forever passed. I deeply believe that that era is over to never return. Today, we can only base our debates on socialism on the basis of experience.” (perhaps poorly translated.)
At least I escape unreadable and unmodifiable GNU stuff
I saw your interest in Marxism-Leninism. Marx taught: Labor productivity is the premise for this society to win over the old society (poorly translated because I read translated textboot)
(Năng suất lao động là tiền đề để xã hội này chiến thắng xã hội cũ)
So the communists must learn to do business. Otherwise it is dogma, moralism.
Well, it hinges on your philosophical stance. GNU prioritizes user freedom by licensing every software piece and its derivatives under Free Software licenses like GPL. The advantage lies in creating an environment where constant license checks are unnecessary, providing a more streamlined and freedom-focused user experience.
GNU prioritizes user freedom
User freedom?! When all contributions must also fall under GPL and you need to relicense your software to GPL to legally do static linking with a GPL library??
When the Soviet Union successfully put their State Emblem on the moon, Ho Chi Minh published an article to congratulate them, and said: (for words this might not be fully correct but I remember the gist): “While the Soviet Union publish all the details [about the trip and about the technology], for anyone to access, American keeps the details for themselves” (assume that Soviet union published because I cannot myself confirm that they didn’t do)
So about “publish all the details”, this mean anyone including corpo can access and do what the fuck they want. It is actually free software license nowadays. Software is science, and science should be accessible for everyone including the guy who want to make an atomic bomb.
If I recall correctly Richard Stallman hate copyright and he tried public domain, but get his code stolen by corpo and then he cooperative with copyright to enforce something restrictive called copyleft - the communists will not accept it since it can only break the economy. Vietnamese television now even recommend artists to do restrictive copyright on their works (but with my shallow thought it is actually to born out money for the economy). Choose wisely everything that benefit socialism.
Read the last part of my inital answer, it’s solely that way because no one has the time to keep checking licenses with software.
It’s weird but I’m siding with the company on this one. With what little context we’ve been given the dev sounds like a stereotypical reddit moderator.
How so?
